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Is it worth mentioning the name of the Doctor said in an article in one of the [[Marvel Comics]]? It's "d³Σx²" [[User:Im a recolor|Im a recolor]] 21:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


:I don't see why not. -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 02:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
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:the name/designation d³Σx² comes from ''[[The Making of Doctor Who]]'', first edition. (maybe subsequent editions, too.) not strictly canon, though. --[[User:Stardizzy2|Stardizzy2]] 23:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
== Notable Aliases ==


==to do list==
The conscencus at the discussion [[forum: Notable Aliases]] is that one-off nicknames that were never really used, particularly if they were only used as a joke (the rotemeister being a good example) should be removed. Therefore I am going to remove some of them from this page. I will include a list of them on this talk page after I remove them. If you disagree with this then discuss it on the panopticon page that I linked here, and if you disagree with the removal of a specific name than discuss it on this talk page.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 17:58, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
* Put some things on "names given to him by others" into aliases.
* Aliases not mentioned:
**"The Traveller From Beyond Time" (''[[The Savages]]'')
**"Idiot" (''[[Kinda (TV story)|Kinda]]'')
**"Dr. Bowman" (David Bowman?) used by the [[Eighth Doctor]]
**"The Dentist" (''[[Downtime]]'') --[[User:Stardizzy2|Stardizzy2]] 00:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


== Last name ==
Here's a list of the names I removed. I removed both joke names, and names that were really descriptions of the Doctor rather than names for him. This problem really only seems to effect new series characters, so I didn't have to remove an aliases from before the ninth Doctor. Here is what I removed:


Could the last name of the Doctor be 'Song' because of River Song in Silence in the Library. River Song and the Doctor were married and if River took the Doctor's last name...
'''Ninth Doctor'''
*My Executioner
*Housemate


--[[User:CGW|CGW]] 09:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
'''Tenth Doctor'''
*The Lonely God
*Traveller Without a Home
*Skinny Idiot
*Little Physcician
*Doctor-Man
*Martian
*Lonely Angel
*Great Big Outer Space Dunce
*Mr. Conditional Clause
*Father (unless you want to add this to every character who has children)
*Pretty Boy
*He Who Dances in Lonely Places
*The Destroyer of Worlds


We don't know for a fact that they were married, though it is likely. There is very little reason to believe, however, that the Doctor's real last name (if he even has one) is Song.
'''Eleventh Doctor'''
*Bad, bad boy
*Mr. Grumpy Face
*Uncle Doctor
*Voice of God
*The Man of Peace
[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 18:13, September 17, 2011 (UTC)


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==what a headache==
ANY aliases used by or given to the Doctor COUNT. Put them back. Do you know how hard the rest of us look to find them? Ugh... This is ridiculous. Come on. Nicknames don't always get repeated. So, what;s wrong with what was there, hmm? (Just curious) Nobody else complained. Well, I give up. (Sigh...)[[User:Forgetful 10th doctor fan|Forgetful 10th doctor fan]] 00:13, September 29, 2011 (UTC)


::It's even less likely that his last name is Song as it is strongly hinted that she whispered his name to him in order to quickly gain his trust - and the Doctor was completely blown away. It's likely that if she shared his true last name, he would've noticed.
well, actually, there is a very long discussion that was at the panopticon which was linked to above where just about everyone agreed that one off names and descriptions don't count.  and i agree. for example, if i called you skinny idiot once like i'm doing here, would you then consider it an alliace of yourself?  would you then turn around every time someone calls out "skinny idiot" because you think they're refering to you?  unless the name is either notable, i.e. a major part of a story line e.g. harold saxon for the master or used often e.g. john smith for the doctor or something the doctor askes to be called specifically for the purpose of being an alliace (not just jokingly) then it can't really be considered an alliace, no matter how hard you looked for them. [[User:Imamadmad|Imamadmad]] <sup>[[User talk:Imamadmad|talk to me]]</sup> 08:51, February 3, 2012 (UTC)


::Also, given the secret nature of the Doctor's name, such as is shown with comments made by the Carrionites and Madame de Pompadour, it seems very unlikely that the Doctor's name would be even partially revealed through River changing her name.
==War Doctor==
I added this to "Behind the Scenes" because, thus far, he has only been referred to by this name in the closing credits of the Night of the Doctor minisode, and in an interview with John Hurt, but not as yet on screen. If the name is used on screen in a later episode, it can be moved accordingly. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.70.124|68.146.70.124]]<sup>[[User talk:68.146.70.124#top|talk to me]]</sup> 14:47, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


::It's made less likely if you take into account the novels as canon, particularly Lungbarrow, which reveals the House that the Doctor was loomed from. It's likely that if he has a last name, it would be the name of his house.--[[User:TheOmnius|TheOmnius]] 01:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
==Clever Boy isn't an alias==
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I'm going to "be bold" and delete "Clever Boy" - that's not a nickname or an alias, it's an adjective/descriptor. Folks need to know the difference. Chin-boy is most definitely an affectation (and one Oswin might have continued to use had she survived), but "you clever boy" is not an alias or nickname in any sense of the word. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.70.124|68.146.70.124]]<sup>[[User talk:68.146.70.124#top|talk to me]]</sup> 14:50, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
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::I don't think that any of the novels that mention "the looms" are cannon. However, I highly doubt that the Doctor's surname is Song. [[Special:Contributions/65.35.225.248|65.35.225.248]] 20:58, July 2, 2011 (UTC)


== All Time Lords take Titles? ==
==Sigma Theta can't be an alias between Gallifreyan contemporaries==
Consider that two Gallifreyans who knew each other well were talking in Gallifreyan language and we were hearing English only because of TARDIS translation.  Gallifreyans aren't Greek, and Greek isn't English...except in mathematics. 


I'm new to Doctor Who so this might be an idiot question, but I need to ask it anyway. Do all Time Lords take titles? I know of two so far: The Doctor and [[The Master]]. [[Special:Contributions/69.68.233.65|69.68.233.65]] 16:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Consider how the name Melody Pond became River Song: English to Gamman back to English translation. In English math, theta is a degree of rotation, or turn. Sigma, in statistics, is a summation. Theta Sigma is the English mathematical equivalent of "summation of turns" while the shortened form of "Thete" is a fond way of a familiar contemporary calling him "twisted". Consider now how the Doctor has been saying his name each time he calls himself a madman, and consider how the TARDIS uses this non-mathematic colloquial English synonym for his utterance.


:short answer, no. early novelisations and ''[[The Making of Doctor Who]]'' implied so, however. --[[User:Stardizzy2|Stardizzy2]] 20:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
The question was hidden in plain sight, and so was its answer. --CL
::thank you for both answering and giving a short answer. [[User:Kingofdanerds|Kingofdanerds]] 19:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:What? [[Special:Contributions/217.42.180.60|217.42.180.60]]<sup>[[User talk:217.42.180.60#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:47, June 18, 2017 (UTC)


== Major revisions ==
== "The Timelord Victorious" ==
I just took the sonic screwdriver to the article, removing some duplication, eliminating some unnecessary detail, and also reediting to preserve in-universe style. Remember this is an "in-universe" article, so we can't say things like "In such-and-such episode the Doctor was called..." And everything has to be in past tense. I think I caught everything. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:06, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


Would "The Timelord Victorious" from [[The Waters of Mars (TV story)]] also count as a Tenth Doctor alias? [[Special:Contributions/184.175.4.71|184.175.4.71]]<sup>[[User talk:184.175.4.71#top|talk to me]]</sup> 14:52, December 14, 2013 (UTC)


==Another Alias?==
--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:39, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
The Dream Lord called the Doctor by several titles, one of which was "Him in the bow tie". Should this be added and if so where?[[Special:Contributions/86.140.235.125|86.140.235.125]] 19:35, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
== Name ==
I think his truth name is Zagreus, name had a terrible history on gallifrey and this must be the secret.                   ZAGREUS
: Please do not put speculation on talk pages, per [[Tardis:Discussion policy]].[[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:37, March 9, 2014 (UTC)


: I don't think so. What we need to make sure we keep separate is the difference between an alias and a nickname. An alias is a name which the person can live by, like the Doctor calling himself John Smith, as there can be a real person with that name. Other ones, like "him in the bow tie" and when Donna calls him "spaceman" are nicknames as they are only said jokingly in passing, to describe him, rather than being his name. [[User:Mc hammark|Mc hammark]] 20:15, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
==Clean up needed==
There is a lot of duplicated information in this article, with the nicknames section containing many names already listed in the main alias section. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.52.234|68.146.52.234]]<sup>[[User talk:68.146.52.234#top|talk to me]]</sup> 03:17, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


== speculation ==
== Steven Moffat knows the Doctor's name? ==


Though there's little evidence, maybe very suble hints, (i.e. "The Lonely God", the Fourth Doctor's first choice of cloths, the suggestion that the Doctor's has a terible secret behind his name, fleeing the Time Lords because he grew bord of them, being someting of a trickster, also the fact that the very first DW story was about fire...hmmm...) well I wonder, could it be possible that he is Loki, if so then what would be the implications??? [[Special:Contributions/86.155.98.187|86.155.98.187]] 13:54, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
"During Comic-Con 2012, Steven Moffat, the head writer, has confirmed that he knows what the Doctor's real name is, although the said name has not, as of yet, appeared in-narrative"


:Please keep speculation to [[Forum:The Howling]]. Thanks. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:56, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
Can somebody give me a source for this, because it sounds like he was joking. I know that Doctor Who Answers wikia went through a similar thing with the 'Mildred' quotation, and these wikis obviously have a lot of users in common. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I saw this fact itself on that wiki somewhere, and it was concluded he was joking there (I'm pretty sure he said that William Hartnell told him or something). Basically, this page really needs a source for that. As is, it would be like if somebody posted that the Doctor's real name was Mildred, unsourced and without realising the joke. [[Special:Contributions/217.42.180.60|217.42.180.60]]<sup>[[User talk:217.42.180.60#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:44, June 18, 2017 (UTC)
 
== There is no mention of the origins of the title "Doctor" on the page... ==
 
...said origin being that Ian and Barbara initially called him Dr. Foreman, resulting in him asking who exactly they were refering to. They continue to call him Doctor and it's years before he actually refers to himself as such, and before he began doing so he had been introduced by his companions as the Doctor or used a pseudonym. This is not reflected on this page. I intend to fix this.
 
== Doctor Foreman ==
 
The Doctor never refered to himself as "Dr. Foreman."  As a matter of fact, when Ian called him that he said, "Eh?  Doctor who?  Who's he talking about?"  -- [[User:Ripmssmith|Rest In Peace Sarah Jane]] \ [[User_talk:Ripmssmith|Talk to me!]] 20:01, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Would he like it? ==
 
If we're to forget the last of [[The Eleventh Doctor|The Eleventh Doctor's]] aliases why write it on the wiki? [[Special:Contributions/65.35.225.248|65.35.225.248]] 18:38, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

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Notable Aliases[[edit source]]

The conscencus at the discussion forum: Notable Aliases is that one-off nicknames that were never really used, particularly if they were only used as a joke (the rotemeister being a good example) should be removed. Therefore I am going to remove some of them from this page. I will include a list of them on this talk page after I remove them. If you disagree with this then discuss it on the panopticon page that I linked here, and if you disagree with the removal of a specific name than discuss it on this talk page.Icecreamdif 17:58, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Here's a list of the names I removed. I removed both joke names, and names that were really descriptions of the Doctor rather than names for him. This problem really only seems to effect new series characters, so I didn't have to remove an aliases from before the ninth Doctor. Here is what I removed:

Ninth Doctor

  • My Executioner
  • Housemate

Tenth Doctor

  • The Lonely God
  • Traveller Without a Home
  • Skinny Idiot
  • Little Physcician
  • Doctor-Man
  • Martian
  • Lonely Angel
  • Great Big Outer Space Dunce
  • Mr. Conditional Clause
  • Father (unless you want to add this to every character who has children)
  • Pretty Boy
  • He Who Dances in Lonely Places
  • The Destroyer of Worlds

Eleventh Doctor

  • Bad, bad boy
  • Mr. Grumpy Face
  • Uncle Doctor
  • Voice of God
  • The Man of Peace

Icecreamdif 18:13, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

what a headache[[edit source]]

ANY aliases used by or given to the Doctor COUNT. Put them back. Do you know how hard the rest of us look to find them? Ugh... This is ridiculous. Come on. Nicknames don't always get repeated. So, what;s wrong with what was there, hmm? (Just curious) Nobody else complained. Well, I give up. (Sigh...)Forgetful 10th doctor fan 00:13, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

well, actually, there is a very long discussion that was at the panopticon which was linked to above where just about everyone agreed that one off names and descriptions don't count. and i agree. for example, if i called you skinny idiot once like i'm doing here, would you then consider it an alliace of yourself? would you then turn around every time someone calls out "skinny idiot" because you think they're refering to you? unless the name is either notable, i.e. a major part of a story line e.g. harold saxon for the master or used often e.g. john smith for the doctor or something the doctor askes to be called specifically for the purpose of being an alliace (not just jokingly) then it can't really be considered an alliace, no matter how hard you looked for them. Imamadmad talk to me 08:51, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

War Doctor[[edit source]]

I added this to "Behind the Scenes" because, thus far, he has only been referred to by this name in the closing credits of the Night of the Doctor minisode, and in an interview with John Hurt, but not as yet on screen. If the name is used on screen in a later episode, it can be moved accordingly. 68.146.70.124talk to me 14:47, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Clever Boy isn't an alias[[edit source]]

I'm going to "be bold" and delete "Clever Boy" - that's not a nickname or an alias, it's an adjective/descriptor. Folks need to know the difference. Chin-boy is most definitely an affectation (and one Oswin might have continued to use had she survived), but "you clever boy" is not an alias or nickname in any sense of the word. 68.146.70.124talk to me 14:50, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sigma Theta can't be an alias between Gallifreyan contemporaries[[edit source]]

Consider that two Gallifreyans who knew each other well were talking in Gallifreyan language and we were hearing English only because of TARDIS translation. Gallifreyans aren't Greek, and Greek isn't English...except in mathematics.

Consider how the name Melody Pond became River Song: English to Gamman back to English translation. In English math, theta is a degree of rotation, or turn. Sigma, in statistics, is a summation. Theta Sigma is the English mathematical equivalent of "summation of turns" while the shortened form of "Thete" is a fond way of a familiar contemporary calling him "twisted". Consider now how the Doctor has been saying his name each time he calls himself a madman, and consider how the TARDIS uses this non-mathematic colloquial English synonym for his utterance.

The question was hidden in plain sight, and so was its answer. --CL

What? 217.42.180.60talk to me 15:47, June 18, 2017 (UTC)

"The Timelord Victorious"[[edit source]]

Would "The Timelord Victorious" from The Waters of Mars (TV story) also count as a Tenth Doctor alias? 184.175.4.71talk to me 14:52, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

--Doctor other 04:39, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Name[[edit source]]

I think his truth name is Zagreus, name had a terrible history on gallifrey and this must be the secret. ZAGREUS

Please do not put speculation on talk pages, per Tardis:Discussion policy.Shambala108 17:37, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Clean up needed[[edit source]]

There is a lot of duplicated information in this article, with the nicknames section containing many names already listed in the main alias section. 68.146.52.234talk to me 03:17, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Steven Moffat knows the Doctor's name?[[edit source]]

"During Comic-Con 2012, Steven Moffat, the head writer, has confirmed that he knows what the Doctor's real name is, although the said name has not, as of yet, appeared in-narrative"

Can somebody give me a source for this, because it sounds like he was joking. I know that Doctor Who Answers wikia went through a similar thing with the 'Mildred' quotation, and these wikis obviously have a lot of users in common. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I saw this fact itself on that wiki somewhere, and it was concluded he was joking there (I'm pretty sure he said that William Hartnell told him or something). Basically, this page really needs a source for that. As is, it would be like if somebody posted that the Doctor's real name was Mildred, unsourced and without realising the joke. 217.42.180.60talk to me 15:44, June 18, 2017 (UTC)