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I'm not sure I agree with this one. Lucy later married Grant suggesting that "Lombard" would have only been her name for a relatively short part of her life. Additionally, "Fletcher" was both her name at birth and the only one she uses herself during ''Mysterio'', appearing to also double as the name she uses in her job as a reporter. [[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC) | I'm not sure I agree with this one. Lucy later married Grant suggesting that "Lombard" would have only been her name for a relatively short part of her life. Additionally, "Fletcher" was both her name at birth and the only one she uses herself during ''Mysterio'', appearing to also double as the name she uses in her job as a reporter. [[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
: Agreed, the self-determined name should always be the one we go with. Apart from a single use by the Doctor, only Grant uses "Mrs Lombard", and that's only when he's working as her nanny - never when he's the Ghost. [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Seems reasonable to me, removing the delete template, at least for now. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
My bad for not elaborating on my reasoning here! Beyond the simple Ctrl+F count in the episode, there's a [[not we]]-related reason for the rename: at the time and since, there has been much ado about Moffat's use of comic-book-style alliterative naming for Lucy Lombard and Grant Gordon. Regardless of in-story self-determination and all that, obscuring this authorial intention seems counterproductive to our coverage of the story. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
: Bumping this discussion in [[Special:RecentChanges]] in parallel with [[Talk:Grant (The Return of Doctor Mysterio)]]. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
::: I'm a little skeptical on the "not-we" argument. The sort of people who, years down the line, care about "the much ado about Steven Moffat's sneaky homage to Marvel comics" are surely the very opposite of not-wes. Surely actual casual viewers care about what name was used in the actual TV story they watched or mean to watch; not about geeky ephemera like press releases and discussions of metafictional authorial intent. | |||
::: That being said, on that very note, it should be noted that if we ''do'' tally up, "Lombard" is used more times in the TV story than "Fletcher". But then again, the full name "Lucy Lombard" is never said in full, while "Lucy Fletcher" ''is''. Tricky. | |||
::: I think this bears further discussion. There are sound arguments on both sides and I would like to hear more people's views. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 14:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
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Proposed rename[[edit source]]
I'm not sure I agree with this one. Lucy later married Grant suggesting that "Lombard" would have only been her name for a relatively short part of her life. Additionally, "Fletcher" was both her name at birth and the only one she uses herself during Mysterio, appearing to also double as the name she uses in her job as a reporter. Borisashton ☎ 02:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed, the self-determined name should always be the one we go with. Apart from a single use by the Doctor, only Grant uses "Mrs Lombard", and that's only when he's working as her nanny - never when he's the Ghost. Danochy ☎ 03:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Seems reasonable to me, removing the delete template, at least for now. Shambala108 ☎ 03:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
My bad for not elaborating on my reasoning here! Beyond the simple Ctrl+F count in the episode, there's a not we-related reason for the rename: at the time and since, there has been much ado about Moffat's use of comic-book-style alliterative naming for Lucy Lombard and Grant Gordon. Regardless of in-story self-determination and all that, obscuring this authorial intention seems counterproductive to our coverage of the story. – n8 (☎) 15:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Bumping this discussion in Special:RecentChanges in parallel with Talk:Grant (The Return of Doctor Mysterio). – n8 (☎) 14:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm a little skeptical on the "not-we" argument. The sort of people who, years down the line, care about "the much ado about Steven Moffat's sneaky homage to Marvel comics" are surely the very opposite of not-wes. Surely actual casual viewers care about what name was used in the actual TV story they watched or mean to watch; not about geeky ephemera like press releases and discussions of metafictional authorial intent.
- That being said, on that very note, it should be noted that if we do tally up, "Lombard" is used more times in the TV story than "Fletcher". But then again, the full name "Lucy Lombard" is never said in full, while "Lucy Fletcher" is. Tricky.
- I think this bears further discussion. There are sound arguments on both sides and I would like to hear more people's views. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 14:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
