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* [[Famine Appeal]] - After studying it, if Colin never breaks character, I'd say this should be valid. But I've never seen this one.
* [[Famine Appeal]] - After studying it, if Colin never breaks character, I'd say this should be valid. But I've never seen this one.
* [[Friend from the Future (TV story)|Friend from the Future]] - I can say with certainty that this should be valid, as [[Steven Moffat]] intended. However, because it was invalidated originally for more than one reason, and because it is contentious, this will need its own debate.
* [[Friend from the Future (TV story)|Friend from the Future]] - I can say with certainty that this should be valid, as [[Steven Moffat]] intended. However, because it was invalidated originally for more than one reason, and because it is contentious, this will need its own debate.
* ''[[The Future Is At Your Fingertips (TV story)|The Future Is At Your Fingertips]]'' - This ALMOST doesn't pass Rule 3. These were commercials made in New Zealand which the company decided to never use. They never broadcast on TV... BUT they did premiere at a film festival. If they pass "Rule 4" is really something one could debate.
* [[Meet the Thirteenth Doctor (TV story)|Meet the Thirteenth Doctor]] - This one is odd, because I don't think it qualifies for Rule 4. Now, if a future story were to give context to what's going on here, I think this would qualify for ''Rule 4 By Proxy''.
* [[Meet the Thirteenth Doctor (TV story)|Meet the Thirteenth Doctor]] - This one is odd, because I don't think it qualifies for Rule 4. Now, if a future story were to give context to what's going on here, I think this would qualify for ''Rule 4 By Proxy''.
* [[Doctor Who: 50 Years (trailer)]] - Another great example here where there's no real proof that this was intended to be set inside the ''DWU''. But you could also argue that this trailer simply depicts a [[Multi-Doctor Event]] that ''Day'' doesn't show. It's certainly more of a promotional short than a trailer, and certainly something that would qualify for ''Rule 4 by Proxy'' if some other valid fiction referenced it. But as it stands, I think it deserves to be in the middle here.
* [[Doctor Who: 50 Years (trailer)]] - Another great example here where there's no real proof that this was intended to be set inside the ''DWU''. But you could also argue that this trailer simply depicts a [[Multi-Doctor Event]] that ''Day'' doesn't show. It's certainly more of a promotional short than a trailer, and certainly something that would qualify for ''Rule 4 by Proxy'' if some other valid fiction referenced it. But as it stands, I think it deserves to be in the middle here.
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* [[Christmas Gift Guide: LEGO set]] - This is lost media now, but I recall at the time thinking it shouldn't be valid. Same for the two other Christmas Gift Guides.
* [[Christmas Gift Guide: LEGO set]] - This is lost media now, but I recall at the time thinking it shouldn't be valid. Same for the two other Christmas Gift Guides.
* ''[[The Appliance of Science (home video)|The Appliance of Science]]'' - offensiveness and historical significance put aside, I have never seen evidence that this passes Rule 2. It certainly seems to not pass Rule 3.
* ''[[The Appliance of Science (home video)|The Appliance of Science]]'' - offensiveness and historical significance put aside, I have never seen evidence that this passes Rule 2. It certainly seems to not pass Rule 3.
* ''[[The Future Is At Your Fingertips (TV story)|The Future Is At Your Fingertips]]'' - In contrast, this seems to be licensed! So it passes Rule 2. However, the commercials were ''canceled''. They never aired on TV, instead being shown at conventions and eventually being bootlegged online. So they do not pass Rule 3, being paramount to if ''Shada'' was still locked in the BBC vaults to this day.
* [[Walls' Sky Ray lollies advertisement]] - I've long considered this one, and I think it's suffice to say that this a trailer for the story included in the packaging: ''[[Dr Who's Space Adventure Book]]''. It's really a commercial with the aesthetics of a fictional story, not a fictional story that happens to sell something. Also, I don't think we have precedent to remove the in-universe bits from the real-world bits.
* [[Walls' Sky Ray lollies advertisement]] - I've long considered this one, and I think it's suffice to say that this a trailer for the story included in the packaging: ''[[Dr Who's Space Adventure Book]]''. It's really a commercial with the aesthetics of a fictional story, not a fictional story that happens to sell something. Also, I don't think we have precedent to remove the in-universe bits from the real-world bits.
* [[Denys Fisher Toys Advert]] - Same applies here, and for all the old [[Character Options]] commercials we don't have pages on
* [[Denys Fisher Toys Advert]] - Same applies here, and for all the old [[Character Options]] commercials we don't have pages on

Revision as of 22:02, 23 March 2023

This is going to be a curated list of potential commercials/advertisements/idents that should be validated in the future, given specific circumstances.

Essentially, all fiction disqualified for "being commercial" should be retired. Thusly, all "commercial fiction" which are more than just compilations of clips and images should be reconsidered under rule 4: if they are intended to take place in the Doctor Who Universe.

Stories where validation is certain

TV stories

  • 2009 BBC Christmas idents - Famous "TARDIS with Reindeer" idents. Calling these commercials is a little iffy in the first place, as I don't think idents are advertisements. Nevertheless, these are fictional stories clearly intended to be set in the DWU.
  • Step Into the 80's! / On Through the 80's! - The reason for validity here is a direct reference to the spots made in PROSE: Christmas on a Rational Planet. The novel features Chris Cwej searching through the TARDIS and finding a disconnected computer bank labeled PRIME, clearly referencing these spots. Thus, this is a pretty clear example of Rule 4 by Proxy. Regardless of this, there's no certain evidence that these stories don't pass Rule 4. They feature Romana II, are fully in-character, and were written by Tom Baker. I've never seen any proof that they don't pass our standards for being set in the DWU, so they are a pretty easy validation example.
  • Sprout Boy meets a Galaxy of Stars - This one could be debated, but the story being narrated by Peter Capaldi and ending on the reveal of the Twelfth Doctor makes it more a Doctor Who story than anything else
  • CBBC idents - This can hopefully be fleshed out with more info? But it sounds like it might qualify
  • Any of the Collection trailers... Which are mostly already counted as valid due to some loophole.
  • Luckily for me, I have a time machine (TV story) - This title seems bunk, but as this is invalid currently just for being "promotional" I'd say it should be valid.
  • UNIT Recruiting Film - I've not been able to figure out why this is invalid. But I presume it's because it was a marketing stunt to promote the re-broadcast of The Green Death.
  • The "interruption" idents. These are a little less clear than the 2009 idents, which had its own story. In this case, the story is "the Doctor interrupts the ident." It's still fiction, but you can't read much more into it than that.

Webcasts

Short stories

Comic stories

Audio stories

Stories I'm less certain about

  • The Trip of a Lifetime and similar trailers, leaning towards valid. No different from Twelve narrating about the Bootstrap paradox. However, I think these specifically would need their own debate, as the "Rule 4ness" of these is obviously debatable.
  • Famine Appeal - After studying it, if Colin never breaks character, I'd say this should be valid. But I've never seen this one.
  • Friend from the Future - I can say with certainty that this should be valid, as Steven Moffat intended. However, because it was invalidated originally for more than one reason, and because it is contentious, this will need its own debate.
  • The Future Is At Your Fingertips - This ALMOST doesn't pass Rule 3. These were commercials made in New Zealand which the company decided to never use. They never broadcast on TV... BUT they did premiere at a film festival. If they pass "Rule 4" is really something one could debate.
  • Meet the Thirteenth Doctor - This one is odd, because I don't think it qualifies for Rule 4. Now, if a future story were to give context to what's going on here, I think this would qualify for Rule 4 By Proxy.
  • Doctor Who: 50 Years (trailer) - Another great example here where there's no real proof that this was intended to be set inside the DWU. But you could also argue that this trailer simply depicts a Multi-Doctor Event that Day doesn't show. It's certainly more of a promotional short than a trailer, and certainly something that would qualify for Rule 4 by Proxy if some other valid fiction referenced it. But as it stands, I think it deserves to be in the middle here.
  • WeLoveTITANS - I think as these were disqualified for being commercials, they might justify another debate, but I just don't know how many people WANT to go down that rabbit hole again
  • Time Is Everything - Presuming we revoke the widespread ban on advertisements, this would be a contender for coverage. The only hiccup is the fourth-wall breaking, which is an issue we've long gotten older but have never codified in a debate. The DWUness of this has also never been contended, but if it was the only thing standing in the way of this being valid I'm sure someone would change their minds, so this probably needs its own debate.
  • Doctor Who and the Ambassadors of Death (trailer) - A little unsure about this, I've gone back-and-forth on it and it's difficult to make a call without this in front of me. I don't want to set the precedent that old footage with a new framing device is always a trailer. But I also wouldn't put up a fight for this unless someone else wants to as well.
  • Death of the Doctor (trailer) - Also the same situation

Advertisements which do not qualify

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