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For many many years, infoboxes on TARDIS wiki have had the "first=" variable. Historically, this has been used to denote the first ''valid source'' where this character appears. Despite sounding simple, caused a lot of headaches. For instance, [[Zog (The Ultimate Adventure)|Zog]] from the stage play ''[[The Ultimate Adventure (stage play)|Doctor Who: The Ultimate Adventure]]'' listed a short trips story as his premiere story, despite this being an out-of-universe variable. | For many many years, infoboxes on TARDIS wiki have had the "first=" variable. Historically, this has been used to denote the first ''valid source'' where this character appears. Despite sounding simple, caused a lot of headaches. For instance, [[Zog (The Ultimate Adventure)|Zog]] from the stage play ''[[The Ultimate Adventure (stage play)|Doctor Who: The Ultimate Adventure]]'' listed a short trips story as his premiere story, despite this being an out-of-universe variable. | ||
We recently changed this, making the standing rule that the | We recently changed this, making the standing rule that the ''earliest piece of fiction that Tardis Wiki has a page about'' will be the "first" variable for this topic. So Zog's page now says his first appearance is the stage play, even thought it's not a valid source. | ||
However, I've now realized that this shift in rules actually might give us a chance to go even further with this. Basically, I am proposing the introduction of a new variable for infoboxes: | However, I've now realized that this shift in rules actually might give us a chance to go even further with this. Basically, I am proposing the introduction of a new variable for infoboxes: | ||
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So why would we ever need this? Well, the idea is that we specifically ''would only use this for characters and concepts which originated in non-DW stories'', and that instead we would use first= to denote their actual premiere in fiction. THEN we would use the firstTW variable to list their first appearance in a story we have a page on. | So why would we ever need this? Well, the idea is that we specifically ''would only use this for characters and concepts which originated in non-DW stories'', and that instead we would use first= to denote their actual premiere in fiction. THEN we would use the firstTW variable to list their first appearance in a story we have a page on. | ||
So, [[Mickey Mouse]]'s first variable would | So, [[Mickey Mouse]]'s first variable would link [[w:c:disney:Steamboat Willie]]. [[Jeff Tracy]]'s first variable would list [[w:c:Thunderbirds:Trapped in the Sky]]. (''obviously in each of these cases we'd hide the inter-wiki guts and gears, but I wanted you to be able to see how it works if you're not familiar'') | ||
I originally wanted to have it be "firstDWU", with the infobox text reading "First DWU appearance," but I realized this would just reset us to things which are non-valid being once again discluded from the first variable... But I'm open to alternate suggestions. | I originally wanted to have it be "firstDWU", with the infobox text reading "First DWU appearance," but I realized this would just reset us to things which are non-valid being once again discluded from the first variable... But I'm open to alternate suggestions. | ||
Revision as of 23:55, 10 April 2023
Introduction
So I had this idea a few days ago, and I thought it would be a good idea to pitch it to the fourms. It's a really good idea I think, and it's something a little less contentious than some of the other big rule changes we've been making. It's basically about inter-wiki linking and infoboxes.
For many many years, infoboxes on TARDIS wiki have had the "first=" variable. Historically, this has been used to denote the first valid source where this character appears. Despite sounding simple, caused a lot of headaches. For instance, Zog from the stage play Doctor Who: The Ultimate Adventure listed a short trips story as his premiere story, despite this being an out-of-universe variable.
We recently changed this, making the standing rule that the earliest piece of fiction that Tardis Wiki has a page about will be the "first" variable for this topic. So Zog's page now says his first appearance is the stage play, even thought it's not a valid source.
However, I've now realized that this shift in rules actually might give us a chance to go even further with this. Basically, I am proposing the introduction of a new variable for infoboxes:
|firstTW=
So why would we ever need this? Well, the idea is that we specifically would only use this for characters and concepts which originated in non-DW stories, and that instead we would use first= to denote their actual premiere in fiction. THEN we would use the firstTW variable to list their first appearance in a story we have a page on.
So, Mickey Mouse's first variable would link w:c:disney:Steamboat Willie. Jeff Tracy's first variable would list w:c:Thunderbirds:Trapped in the Sky. (obviously in each of these cases we'd hide the inter-wiki guts and gears, but I wanted you to be able to see how it works if you're not familiar)
I originally wanted to have it be "firstDWU", with the infobox text reading "First DWU appearance," but I realized this would just reset us to things which are non-valid being once again discluded from the first variable... But I'm open to alternate suggestions.
Also, in these cases we'd want to retire |only=. Having Picard's page list Assimilation2 as his only story would not make it totally clear that the "first" link goes off-wiki.
The test template I'm using in this OP is at Infobox off-wiki first. I changed barely anything, it's probably not good enough to be used right away, and I am not good at coding templates. In fact, I can't even figure out how to make the firstTW variable optional, so it's always there when you use the template!
But this is the basic idea of what I'm suggesting.
Complications
There are only one big complication I can think of for this.
While our infoboxes will allow very easily for FANDOM wikis to be linked, off-site wikis are going to be a challenge to link in the infobox. It might even be impossible. So far, there are three non-FANDOM wikis I can think of that we would want to link for this: TFwiki, the Magrsverse, and Wikipedia.
TFwiki we'd need to cite for Death's Head (Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!), Magrsverse wiki we'd want for a few things but mostly Iris Wildthyme (Marked for Life) and then Wikipedia for... I don't know, something where the first story isn't popular enough to have a wiki but does have a Wikipedia page. I don't have an example. Sue me.
So basically, we may need to either make a functioning template that making off-FANDOM linking more realistic, or we need a second variable, something like:
|firstoffsite =
Which would just let you do a typical [link title] sorta vibe.
I went ahead and added the broken example to the right to give you a clear example of this not working, in case some of you didn't understand.
Tell me what you all think! OS25🤙☎️ 23:17, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
