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==The Journal of Impossible Things== | |||
Why does is state that "[[First Doctor|First]], [[Seventh Doctor|Seventh]] and [[Eighth Doctor|Eighth]] Doctors, and partial appearances of sketches of the [[Fifth Doctor|Fifth]] and [[Sixth Doctor|Sixth]] Doctors" when all ten doctors were clearly visible? | |||
==Family of blood== | |||
I thought Family of blood was part 2 of the Human nature story! | I thought Family of blood was part 2 of the Human nature story! | ||
:Yes, it is. What's your point? --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:35, May 30, 2019 (UTC) | |||
==Plot summary copied from English Wikipedia under GFDL== | ==Plot summary copied from English Wikipedia under GFDL== | ||
As English Wikipedia shares the same site license with TARDIS, I've copied a rather detailed account of the plot from there to here. Please edit to site standard or remove as appropriate. | As English Wikipedia shares the same site license with TARDIS, I've copied a rather detailed account of the plot from there to here. Please edit to site standard or remove as appropriate. | ||
The source information for this text can be obtained from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Human_Nature_%28Doctor_Who_episode%29&action=history the history] of the article [[wikipedia:Human Nature (Doctor Who episode)]]. | The source information for this text can be obtained from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Human_Nature_%28Doctor_Who_episode%29&action=history the history] of the article [[wikipedia:Human Nature (Doctor Who episode)]]. The version copied is taken from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Human_Nature_%28Doctor_Who_episode%29&oldid=133920242 this revision], with the timestamp 20:15, 27 May 2007, last edited by [[wikipedia:user:Gluben]]. | ||
A much briefer and more compact version was substituted in the Wikipedia article by me, and this can be used here instead of the detailed version if desired. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 14:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC) | A much briefer and more compact version was substituted in the Wikipedia article by me, and this can be used here instead of the detailed version if desired. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 14:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Does this episode make the Human Nature novel continuity? The evil dudeArnie 18:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC) | Does this episode make the Human Nature novel continuity? The evil dudeArnie 18:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
: Definitely not. There are a lot of differences, not the least of which is the fact that the novel involves the Seventh Doctor and Bernice Summerfield. -<span style="background-color: #bbbbff;">[[User:DrGaellon|DrGaellon]] <span style="font-size: smaller;">([[User talk:DrGaellon|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/DrGaellon|contribs]])</span></span> 10:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC) | : Definitely not. There are a lot of differences, not the least of which is the fact that the novel involves the Seventh Doctor and Bernice Summerfield. -<span style="background-color: #bbbbff;">[[User:DrGaellon|DrGaellon]] <span style="font-size: smaller;">([[User talk:DrGaellon|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/DrGaellon|contribs]])</span></span> 10:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
:: | ::One could argue that because they're significantly different in a number of regards, they could be separate adventures. It's a massively thorny issue though, and would require a very careful reading of the novel to establish them as wholly distinct adventures. Paul Cornell, for his part, wrote a bit of a tome on canon following the televised adventure, essentially to avoid having to directly answer which one was the more canonical. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
::: If it was, then the Doctor coincidentally encountered two Joan Redferns under similar circumstances. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:11, December 23, 2009 (UTC) | |||
::::For The Doctor this could be a case of life repeating itself. I haven't found an explicitly defined reason why The [[Seventh Doctor]] 'changed' into [[John Smith (novel)]] in the [[PROSE]] novel {any help??}. When The [[Tenth Doctor]] used the [[Chameleon Arch]] to hide himself from his pursuers The Tardis might have chosen an identitiy and a space time setting based upon The Doctor's previous experiences as a human; same alias, same location on Earth and one year previous to his having been there before. The Tardis might even be drawing from The Doctor's subconscious desire to return to [[Farringham]]. | |||
::::Can the two stories co-exist as separate adventures for The Doctor? A brief comparisons of The Tardis Index File entries for [[Human Nature (TV story)]] and [[Human Nature (novel)]] finds only three characters with the same name; Joan Redford, Hutchinson and Mr. Rocastle. The adversaries are different, their mode of travel is different and the schools have different names. If the town has two boys schools then a student named Hutchinson at each one is not that unusual and Mr. Rocastle of the one could be the borther or cousin of Mr. Rocastle of the other. The true thorn is in the rose: Joan Redford presents the most difficult obstacle for fans who want to have their cake and eat it too. | |||
::::The best arguments I can think of that both accept the differences and incorporate the similarities involve The Doctor's life between the two adventures; Namely, a) He fought in the [[Last Great Time War]] and this somehow allows for the differences to exist within the same town in two different years; and b) The [[Eighth Doctor]]'s life is full of paradoxes and this could be one of them stretching out to his other incarnations in both directions - anchored together through his ability to embrace love. --[[User:Stillnotginger|Stillnotginger]] 19:48, February 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Dalek Television Stories == | |||
Should this story really be counted as a Dalek Television Story? Only flashbacks of Daleks appear and not any actual Daleks. Also, if it did count just because of the flashback, shouldn't it also be a Cybermen Television Story as there are some flashbacks to Cybermen as well? ----[[User:Protozom]] [[User Talk:Protozom]] 19:57, July 26, 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Two GoT actors == | |||
This episode has both Viserys Targaryen ([[Harry Lloyd]]) and Jojen Reed ([[Thomas Sangster]]). | |||
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Latest revision as of 20:24, 25 April 2023
The Journal of Impossible Things[[edit source]]
Why does is state that "First, Seventh and Eighth Doctors, and partial appearances of sketches of the Fifth and Sixth Doctors" when all ten doctors were clearly visible?
Family of blood[[edit source]]
I thought Family of blood was part 2 of the Human nature story!
- Yes, it is. What's your point? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:35, May 30, 2019 (UTC)
Plot summary copied from English Wikipedia under GFDL[[edit source]]
As English Wikipedia shares the same site license with TARDIS, I've copied a rather detailed account of the plot from there to here. Please edit to site standard or remove as appropriate.
The source information for this text can be obtained from the history of the article wikipedia:Human Nature (Doctor Who episode). The version copied is taken from this revision, with the timestamp 20:15, 27 May 2007, last edited by wikipedia:user:Gluben.
A much briefer and more compact version was substituted in the Wikipedia article by me, and this can be used here instead of the detailed version if desired. --Tony Sidaway 14:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
The Journal in Rose[[edit source]]
This one sounds a bit unlikely and probably should have a source added to it. Can anyone confirm that the Journal of Impossible Things actually appears in Clive's possession in "Rose"? I doubt it since they probably had no idea they'd be adapting the novel at that early stage; perhaps it was just a notebook. Are there any sources - interviews, DW Confidential, magazine articles, DVD commentaries - to support this? If not, it probably should be removed as baseless speculation. 68.146.41.232 18:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The novel[[edit source]]
Does this episode make the Human Nature novel continuity? The evil dudeArnie 18:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Definitely not. There are a lot of differences, not the least of which is the fact that the novel involves the Seventh Doctor and Bernice Summerfield. -DrGaellon (talk | contribs) 10:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- One could argue that because they're significantly different in a number of regards, they could be separate adventures. It's a massively thorny issue though, and would require a very careful reading of the novel to establish them as wholly distinct adventures. Paul Cornell, for his part, wrote a bit of a tome on canon following the televised adventure, essentially to avoid having to directly answer which one was the more canonical. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 17:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- If it was, then the Doctor coincidentally encountered two Joan Redferns under similar circumstances. -- Noneofyourbusiness 00:11, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
- For The Doctor this could be a case of life repeating itself. I haven't found an explicitly defined reason why The Seventh Doctor 'changed' into John Smith (novel) in the PROSE novel {any help??}. When The Tenth Doctor used the Chameleon Arch to hide himself from his pursuers The Tardis might have chosen an identitiy and a space time setting based upon The Doctor's previous experiences as a human; same alias, same location on Earth and one year previous to his having been there before. The Tardis might even be drawing from The Doctor's subconscious desire to return to Farringham.
- If it was, then the Doctor coincidentally encountered two Joan Redferns under similar circumstances. -- Noneofyourbusiness 00:11, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
- One could argue that because they're significantly different in a number of regards, they could be separate adventures. It's a massively thorny issue though, and would require a very careful reading of the novel to establish them as wholly distinct adventures. Paul Cornell, for his part, wrote a bit of a tome on canon following the televised adventure, essentially to avoid having to directly answer which one was the more canonical. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 17:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Can the two stories co-exist as separate adventures for The Doctor? A brief comparisons of The Tardis Index File entries for Human Nature (TV story) and Human Nature (novel) finds only three characters with the same name; Joan Redford, Hutchinson and Mr. Rocastle. The adversaries are different, their mode of travel is different and the schools have different names. If the town has two boys schools then a student named Hutchinson at each one is not that unusual and Mr. Rocastle of the one could be the borther or cousin of Mr. Rocastle of the other. The true thorn is in the rose: Joan Redford presents the most difficult obstacle for fans who want to have their cake and eat it too.
- The best arguments I can think of that both accept the differences and incorporate the similarities involve The Doctor's life between the two adventures; Namely, a) He fought in the Last Great Time War and this somehow allows for the differences to exist within the same town in two different years; and b) The Eighth Doctor's life is full of paradoxes and this could be one of them stretching out to his other incarnations in both directions - anchored together through his ability to embrace love. --Stillnotginger 19:48, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
Dalek Television Stories[[edit source]]
Should this story really be counted as a Dalek Television Story? Only flashbacks of Daleks appear and not any actual Daleks. Also, if it did count just because of the flashback, shouldn't it also be a Cybermen Television Story as there are some flashbacks to Cybermen as well? ----User:Protozom User Talk:Protozom 19:57, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
Two GoT actors[[edit source]]
This episode has both Viserys Targaryen (Harry Lloyd) and Jojen Reed (Thomas Sangster).
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