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== Conclusion? ==
== Conclusion? ==
I'm kind of at a loss for what to do next since this thread doesn't seem to have any kind of conclusion post from a mod, despite the archive claiming it to be resolved. So… what? What do we now officially class as valid? What don't we? [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:27, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm kind of at a loss for what to do next since this thread doesn't seem to have any kind of conclusion post from a mod, despite the archive claiming it to be resolved. So… what? What do we now officially class as valid? What don't we? [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:27, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
: Oh crap wait yes there is. It just wasn't showing up in the list for some reason. Disregard! [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:29, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
: Oh crap wait yes there is. It just wasn't showing up in the list for some reason.[[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:29, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
:: That being said, said conclusion's annoying habit of beating around the bush doesn't make things much clearer. Because of the vague wording, I'm no more the wiser whether or not ''Chute!'' or ''Disney Time'' are now valid. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
::: They are — I'm sorry, I thought that was clear. Feel free to ask for clarifications on any other point at any time. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 18:53, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== "The Original Inclusion Debates" ==
 
For the record, I will note that this was an ''article talk page'', and it grew ''in a largely top down fashion'' over the course of ''years'' that was later moved to a forum thread to better archive it. It is '''''wholly disanalogous''''' to a thread this large and convoluted taking place in the span of three weeks. This is not to say the rest of the ruling on the speedround in general being Kosher is wrong, merely that this is a '''really''' bad comparison for the purposes of why people were hesitant towards this thread. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:37, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
: That's fair. Indeed, it's fair enough that I'm going to edit this caveat into the thing as a footnote. Though yes, I stand by the idea that a Speedround is a sound idea in principle even if this one got too big. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 18:53, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== How to handle Death's Head ==
 
So, now the 2019 Death's Head mini-series has been validated, I wanted to discuss a couple things on how to approach it. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck]] in his closing post called the story ''The Bo(d)y in Question''. However, this is actually just used in the first issue. The second issue has the title ''Clone Drive'', the third is unfortunately unnamed, and the fourth is ''Jailbreak''. However, I also found that ''Clone Drive'' was used as the title for the story as a whole in the graphic novel collecting these issues, and so I think that's the best name for the story.
 
Also, the 1988 series will need some updating, as the abbreviation for the issues is DH. Issues 6, 9 and 10 (in addition to 5 and 8) are now eligible to be covered as well due to appearances of [[Keepsake's vulture]]. (The stories themselves were already valid as part of ''[[The Incomplete Death's Head]]''. I do find it a bit annoying we don't cover the other issues whose stories themselves are valid, but such was the ruling.) Therefore, my proposal is to have the following pages:
 
* [[Death's Head (1988)|''Death's Head'' (1988)]]
** [[DH88 5]] (''[[Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling! (comic story)|Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling!]]'') (currently [[DH 5]])
** [[DH88 6]] (''[[Sudden Impact! (comic story)|Sudden Impact!]]'')
** [[DH88 8]] (''[[Time Bomb! (comic story)|Time Bomb!]]'') (currently [[DH 8]])
** [[DH88 9]] (''[[Clobberin' Time! (comic story)|Clobberin' Time!]]'')
** [[DH88 10]] (''[[The Cast Iron Contract (comic story)|The Cast Iron Contract]]'')
* [[Death's Head (2019)|''Death's Head'' (2019)]]
** [[DH19 1]], [[DH19 2]], [[DH19 3]], [[DH19 4]]
** [[Clone Drive (comic story)|''Clone Drive'' (comic story)]]
* [[Death's Head: Clone Drive (graphic novel)|''Death's Head: Clone Drive'' (graphic novel)]] (reprints above 2019 issues)
 
Also if I'm gonna list pages that should be made, the 1988 stories were reprinted in 2020 in a graphic novel called ''[[Death's Head: Freelance Peacekeeping Agent (graphic novel)|Death's Head: Freelance Peacekeeping Agent]]''. Lastly, should there be concerns about the actual ''coverage'' of these stories (which I think there may be), it's probably better to have that discussion on the story's talk page. [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 
: This is smart, I hadn't thought of this. Maybe this is too much, but I'm thinking we put in the ! for good measure. [[DH!88 5]], etc. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 03:47, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 
:: Nevermind! I was thinking of the one-page comic story... [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 04:07, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
::: Yes, this all makes sense. Assuming the information itself is correct, '''consider this scheme admin-approved'''. Oh, but don't forget ''[[Synchronicity II (comic story)|Synchronicity II]]''! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 18:07, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 05:10, 12 May 2023

Conclusion?[[edit source]]

I'm kind of at a loss for what to do next since this thread doesn't seem to have any kind of conclusion post from a mod, despite the archive claiming it to be resolved. So… what? What do we now officially class as valid? What don't we? WaltK 17:27, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh crap wait yes there is. It just wasn't showing up in the list for some reason.WaltK 17:29, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
That being said, said conclusion's annoying habit of beating around the bush doesn't make things much clearer. Because of the vague wording, I'm no more the wiser whether or not Chute! or Disney Time are now valid. WaltK 18:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
They are — I'm sorry, I thought that was clear. Feel free to ask for clarifications on any other point at any time. Scrooge MacDuck 18:53, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

"The Original Inclusion Debates"[[edit source]]

For the record, I will note that this was an article talk page, and it grew in a largely top down fashion over the course of years that was later moved to a forum thread to better archive it. It is wholly disanalogous to a thread this large and convoluted taking place in the span of three weeks. This is not to say the rest of the ruling on the speedround in general being Kosher is wrong, merely that this is a really bad comparison for the purposes of why people were hesitant towards this thread. Najawin 18:37, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

That's fair. Indeed, it's fair enough that I'm going to edit this caveat into the thing as a footnote. Though yes, I stand by the idea that a Speedround is a sound idea in principle even if this one got too big. Scrooge MacDuck 18:53, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

How to handle Death's Head[[edit source]]

So, now the 2019 Death's Head mini-series has been validated, I wanted to discuss a couple things on how to approach it. User:Scrooge MacDuck in his closing post called the story The Bo(d)y in Question. However, this is actually just used in the first issue. The second issue has the title Clone Drive, the third is unfortunately unnamed, and the fourth is Jailbreak. However, I also found that Clone Drive was used as the title for the story as a whole in the graphic novel collecting these issues, and so I think that's the best name for the story.

Also, the 1988 series will need some updating, as the abbreviation for the issues is DH. Issues 6, 9 and 10 (in addition to 5 and 8) are now eligible to be covered as well due to appearances of Keepsake's vulture. (The stories themselves were already valid as part of The Incomplete Death's Head. I do find it a bit annoying we don't cover the other issues whose stories themselves are valid, but such was the ruling.) Therefore, my proposal is to have the following pages:

Also if I'm gonna list pages that should be made, the 1988 stories were reprinted in 2020 in a graphic novel called Death's Head: Freelance Peacekeeping Agent. Lastly, should there be concerns about the actual coverage of these stories (which I think there may be), it's probably better to have that discussion on the story's talk page. Chubby Potato 03:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

This is smart, I hadn't thought of this. Maybe this is too much, but I'm thinking we put in the ! for good measure. DH!88 5, etc. OS25🤙☎️ 03:47, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Nevermind! I was thinking of the one-page comic story... OS25🤙☎️ 04:07, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Yes, this all makes sense. Assuming the information itself is correct, consider this scheme admin-approved. Oh, but don't forget Synchronicity II! Scrooge MacDuck 18:07, 23 April 2023 (UTC)