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== Rename and potential split == | == Rename and potential split == | ||
I would like to voice my support of the renaming of this article from [[Grinch]] to [[The Grinch]]. According to the page, the character was referred to as The Grinch. This forms the lead and so The Grinch is boldened. It makes sense to me that the name of the article should follow suit. Moreover, the character is referred to as The Grinch in non-DWU stories, such as ''How'' '''''The Grinch''''' ''Stole Christmas!''. However, the second reference is [[Krampus]] being referred to as a "regular Grinch". To me, this feels like Grinch wasn't being used in the sense of the character but rather as a concept. I feel that there should be both a page on the character of The Grinch and a page on the concept of being a grinch. [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500)]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC) | I would like to voice my support of the renaming of this article from [[Grinch]] to [[The Grinch]]. According to the page, the character was referred to as The Grinch. This forms the lead and so The Grinch is boldened. It makes sense to me that the name of the article should follow suit. Moreover, the character is referred to as The Grinch in non-DWU stories, such as ''How'' '''''The Grinch''''' ''Stole Christmas!''. However, the second reference is [[Krampus]] being referred to as a "regular Grinch". To me, this feels like Grinch wasn't being used in the sense of the character but rather as a concept. I feel that there should be both a page on the character of The Grinch and a page on the concept of being a grinch. [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500)]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
:: That capital letter makes all the difference, though. Is Krampus "a regular grinch", as one might say "a regular grump", or is Krampus "a regular Grinch" as one might say "a regular Scrooge"? If the former, then yes, the split makes sense, but otherwise, it's kind of a wash. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
::: It's quoted in the article with a capital letter but I do not own this comic to check. [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500)]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::: If you don't mind me bumping this discussion a whole 16 months late, to make a case for ''not'' splitting this page, I'd like to share this excerpt from Wikipedia's page on the character: | |||
{{quote|The grumpy, anti-holiday spirit of the character '''has led to the everyday term "Grinch"''' coming to refer to a person opposed to Christmas time celebrations or to someone with a coarse, greedy attitude.|{{w|Grinch|''Grinch'', Wikipedia}}}} | |||
:::: tl;dr version: Dr. Suess affectively coined the term with the character. And since Wikipedia itself doesn't seem to distinguish between the character and the term… [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::: That seems a good argument not to split to me. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== More context needed == | |||
The opening line, "[[Andy Hansen]] made a reference to the Grinch", isn't the most sufficient. In what context? [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
: Unfortunately a lot of our pages in [[:Category:Cultural references from the real world]] have pages that cover the fact that there is a reference to "X" concept but not elaborate further. Unless if anyone has a copy of the source in question they can read and expand this page, it'll remain stubby. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 16:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
:: The source in question is [https://www.thebespublishing.com/dr-x-1 available online] (I had to disable my ad-blocker to get the page to work). The reference to the Grinch is in the second paragraph. I have updated the page based on this information. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 16:19, 6 September 2023
Rename and potential split[[edit source]]
I would like to voice my support of the renaming of this article from Grinch to The Grinch. According to the page, the character was referred to as The Grinch. This forms the lead and so The Grinch is boldened. It makes sense to me that the name of the article should follow suit. Moreover, the character is referred to as The Grinch in non-DWU stories, such as How The Grinch Stole Christmas!. However, the second reference is Krampus being referred to as a "regular Grinch". To me, this feels like Grinch wasn't being used in the sense of the character but rather as a concept. I feel that there should be both a page on the character of The Grinch and a page on the concept of being a grinch. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 19:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- That capital letter makes all the difference, though. Is Krampus "a regular grinch", as one might say "a regular grump", or is Krampus "a regular Grinch" as one might say "a regular Scrooge"? If the former, then yes, the split makes sense, but otherwise, it's kind of a wash. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 21:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's quoted in the article with a capital letter but I do not own this comic to check. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 07:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- If you don't mind me bumping this discussion a whole 16 months late, to make a case for not splitting this page, I'd like to share this excerpt from Wikipedia's page on the character:
- It's quoted in the article with a capital letter but I do not own this comic to check. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 07:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- That capital letter makes all the difference, though. Is Krampus "a regular grinch", as one might say "a regular grump", or is Krampus "a regular Grinch" as one might say "a regular Scrooge"? If the former, then yes, the split makes sense, but otherwise, it's kind of a wash. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 21:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
The grumpy, anti-holiday spirit of the character has led to the everyday term "Grinch" coming to refer to a person opposed to Christmas time celebrations or to someone with a coarse, greedy attitude.
More context needed[[edit source]]
The opening line, "Andy Hansen made a reference to the Grinch", isn't the most sufficient. In what context? WaltK ☎ 16:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Unfortunately a lot of our pages in Category:Cultural references from the real world have pages that cover the fact that there is a reference to "X" concept but not elaborate further. Unless if anyone has a copy of the source in question they can read and expand this page, it'll remain stubby. 16:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- The source in question is available online (I had to disable my ad-blocker to get the page to work). The reference to the Grinch is in the second paragraph. I have updated the page based on this information. Bongo50 ☎ 16:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
