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Forum:Clarifying in-universe deadnaming policy in response to Rose Noble (edit)
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::::::: Indeed, but the more people you ask, the more accurate your results will be. This is the basis of data collection. (Also note that forum threads are not as simple as counting how many individuals support one opinion or the other, many people chiming in on something just saying "I agree with this" without elaborating is functionally useless in a forum thread, but in this case it is useful to get as many trans people's opinions as possible as they are the affected party. I disagree that the users of the wiki will be more affected, as it is only a very small piece of trivia, and the only reason that I can think of that one would want to look it up would be to go on social media and call Rose only by her deadname, because, sadly, some people are a little mean like that. Of course, there may be other reasons. ''Also'', please do note that I am not accusing you in particular of wanting to do this, or indeed anybody, but I wanted to note that this is a thing that people might theoretically want to do, and I can, at this point in time, think of no more innocent explanation. Sorry, that was a long bracket that was slightly tangential to the overall conversation, I'll stop now.) {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Signature}} 09:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC) | ::::::: Indeed, but the more people you ask, the more accurate your results will be. This is the basis of data collection. (Also note that forum threads are not as simple as counting how many individuals support one opinion or the other, many people chiming in on something just saying "I agree with this" without elaborating is functionally useless in a forum thread, but in this case it is useful to get as many trans people's opinions as possible as they are the affected party. I disagree that the users of the wiki will be more affected, as it is only a very small piece of trivia, and the only reason that I can think of that one would want to look it up would be to go on social media and call Rose only by her deadname, because, sadly, some people are a little mean like that. Of course, there may be other reasons. ''Also'', please do note that I am not accusing you in particular of wanting to do this, or indeed anybody, but I wanted to note that this is a thing that people might theoretically want to do, and I can, at this point in time, think of no more innocent explanation. Sorry, that was a long bracket that was slightly tangential to the overall conversation, I'll stop now.) {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Signature}} 09:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::::::: I don't think asking your friends will necessarily give you a more accurate result. I believe if you ask multiple members of the same friend group the same question, you're likely to hear the same basic answer repeated. If we want to expand our sample size it'd be better to do a random poll, although I admit those are easily brigaded. Thank you for clarifying, I don't feel targeted. I understand this is a sensitive issue, but I hope people realize those of us arguing for keeping the name are not (unilaterally) coming from a place of hate. I think most of the concerns of bad-faith uses of the name are, unfortunately, beyond the scope of this wiki to solve. The information was included in the episode, and we can't change that. People looking to use it maliciously would not likely be stopped just because they can't find the info here. Alternatively, I believe trans fans in the future who may be looking back at this someday, the way many young fans of today might reference articles from the classic series, deserve to have as complete a picture as possible of this character. | :::::::: I don't think asking your friends will necessarily give you a more accurate result. I believe if you ask multiple members of the same friend group the same question, you're likely to hear the same basic answer repeated. If we want to expand our sample size it'd be better to do a random poll, although I admit those are easily brigaded. Thank you for clarifying, I don't feel targeted. I understand this is a sensitive issue, but I hope people realize those of us arguing for keeping the name are not (unilaterally) coming from a place of hate. I think most of the concerns of bad-faith uses of the name are, unfortunately, beyond the scope of this wiki to solve. The information was included in the episode, and we can't change that. People looking to use it maliciously would not likely be stopped just because they can't find the info here. Alternatively, I believe trans fans in the future who may be looking back at this someday, the way many young fans of today might reference articles from the classic series, deserve to have as complete a picture as possible of this character. [[Special:Contributions/2.57.169.119|2.57.169.119]]<sup>[[User talk:2.57.169.119#top|talk to me]]</sup> 09:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC) |