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:::::::: I don't think asking your friends will necessarily give you a more accurate result. I believe if you ask multiple members of the same friend group the same question, you're likely to hear the same basic answer repeated. If we want to expand our sample size it'd be better to do a random poll, although I admit those are easily brigaded. Thank you for clarifying, I don't feel targeted. I understand this is a sensitive issue, but I hope people realize those of us arguing for keeping the name are not (unilaterally) coming from a place of hate. I think most of the concerns of bad-faith uses of the name are, unfortunately, beyond the scope of this wiki to solve. The information was included in the episode, and we can't change that. People looking to use it maliciously would not likely be stopped just because they can't find the info here. Alternatively, I believe trans fans in the future who may be looking back at this someday, the way many young fans of today might reference articles from the classic series, deserve to have as complete a picture as possible of this character. [[Special:Contributions/2.57.169.119|2.57.169.119]]<sup>[[User talk:2.57.169.119#top|talk to me]]</sup> 09:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC) | :::::::: I don't think asking your friends will necessarily give you a more accurate result. I believe if you ask multiple members of the same friend group the same question, you're likely to hear the same basic answer repeated. If we want to expand our sample size it'd be better to do a random poll, although I admit those are easily brigaded. Thank you for clarifying, I don't feel targeted. I understand this is a sensitive issue, but I hope people realize those of us arguing for keeping the name are not (unilaterally) coming from a place of hate. I think most of the concerns of bad-faith uses of the name are, unfortunately, beyond the scope of this wiki to solve. The information was included in the episode, and we can't change that. People looking to use it maliciously would not likely be stopped just because they can't find the info here. Alternatively, I believe trans fans in the future who may be looking back at this someday, the way many young fans of today might reference articles from the classic series, deserve to have as complete a picture as possible of this character. [[Special:Contributions/2.57.169.119|2.57.169.119]]<sup>[[User talk:2.57.169.119#top|talk to me]]</sup> 09:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
: Oh, I do think we should have it on the page somewhere, hence my earlier suggestions, just that we should be incredibly, incredibly careful with how we present it. My suggestion to not have it at all was provoked by some comments upthread that dismissed the necessity of care when handling these things. With the malicious users issue, it is less the existence of the deadname which I take issue with, but the fact that it will be so readily available. This page will likely be in the top three results on Google search, the deadname would be right there in plain sight slap-bang in the middle of the article, and that is what worries me. | |||
: Also note that [[Forum:Category:Non-heterosexual real world people]] may be of relevance here. {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Signature}} 10:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC) |