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| I don't understand the Daleks and Cybermen think all other races are inproper and must be destroyed or converted and they worked together with other species to stop the doctor, the cracks must have been very serious to make daleks and cybermen work together to save the universe--[[User:Jackr12|Jackr12]] 19:14, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Infobox ==
| | I noticed that every famous Doctor Who villain was here... except for the Weeping Angels, one of the most popular monsters of late. |
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| Can we please keep all the members of the Alliance out of the infobox and instead on the article? The infobox stretches horribly if we listed every single race on there. [[User:The evil dude|The evil dude]][[User:The evil dude|.]] 20:18, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
| | Though I can understand reasons why they wouldn't show up. |
| :That's sort of the point of the infobox, though. And it doesn't stretch that long if you use commas, rather than putting each race on a separate line. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 21:04, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
| | Mainly because they are sadists who probably wouldn't care less if the universe is destroyed. |
| ::I've put the members back into the infobox, cause that's where they belong. Helps make the whole article more compact. And it's one of the major fields in this infobox. If you're not going to put the members in the infobox, there's almost no point to using the infobox at all. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 21:14, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
| | In fact they were probably welcoming it because it would put them out of their misery. |
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| == Category ==
| | And they don't have spaceships... |
| Should we have a category for the members of the Alliance? {{User:Solar Dragon/Signature}} 21:20, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
| | But I'm pretty sure they have their own way of traveling through space. |
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| Yes we should have one. Great idea![[User:Fallen5|Fallen5]] 17:00, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| == What do the Daleks and Cybermen hope to gain? ==
| | Exactly where in the scene is the Weevil? I looked where other people say but it turned out to be the Hoix. You can see the cables in it's "armor." Also, am I the only one who noticed that the Sycorax DO physically appear? There's one in the VEERY back. On this page's image it can be seen in the top left. It's helmet is on. |
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| Why would the Daleks and Cybermen want to prevent the destruction of [all] the Universe(s)? Isn't that their goal? Imprisoning the Doctor would then be counter-intuitive, unless its just because of a grudge.
| | :Take a look at this screenshot (not done by me): http://dalektricity.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/silurians-and-weevils.jpg. The Weevils are definitely there. |
| :They would be destroyed too. They don't want that do they? {{User:Solar Dragon/Signature}} 10:28, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | | :As for the Sycorax, yes, you are correct. But note that they're already noted in the "Notable Members" section. (''God, that's a lot of notes...'') |
| I think it's much more likely that the new Doctor Who team just doesn't care about Who lore and is willing to get all the baddies together for great <strike>justice </strike>ratings. [[User:Karshí|Karshí]] 20:13, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
| | :--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 02:22, February 28, 2013 (UTC) |
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| : They both want to take over the universe, yes, but the Cracks/Explosion would destroy them along with anything else. Chances are the Alliance would've fall apart within seconds of the Doctor's imprisonment. - ''<span style ="color:midnightblue">I. Am. [[User: Excalibur-117|Excalibur-117]]</span>''<span style ="color:midnightblue">-<sup>([[User talk:Excalibur-117|talk]] • [[Special: Contributions/ Excalibur-117|contribs]])</sup></span> 20:17, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
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| They did it to survive, as basic as that [[Special:Contributions/98.109.139.104|98.109.139.104]] 14:21, July 28, 2011 (UTC) Smurf Who
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| == Move ==
| | I am not sure the Zygons were there. I am actually almost positive they weren't{{Unsigned-anon|174.71.45.157}} |
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| Why was this page moved? Any move should have been discussed first. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 12:42, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
| | Zygons didn't physically show up, they were a name drop like some of the other races when River is prattling of the owners of the ships descending on Stonehenge. - Anonymous{{Unsigned-anon|68.5.174.172}} |
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| == Blowfish == | | == Chronological Placement in Articles == |
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| Did anyone actually see the blowfish on screen. If so, could you please provide a time that they appeared. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 12:46, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
| | Where exactly would the actions of the Alliance fit in the histories of species pages such as [[Dalek]], [[Cyberman]], [[Sontaran]], etc? Does the Alliance count as an alternate timeline scenario, even though it was a part of the "prime" timeline before the [[Eleventh Doctor]] "rebooted" the universe in ''[[The Big Bang (TV story)|The Big Bang]]''?[[User:Thalek Prime Overseer|Thalek Prime Overseer]] [[User talk:Thalek Prime Overseer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:52, 23 February 2021 (UTC) |
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| Look at the picture in the Infobox. The Drone Dalek's right you should see it's head fin and the top of a Uvodni. [[User:Son of Icthar|Son of Icthar]] 13:59, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
| | == Rename == |
| | While an undabbed name is often preferable to a dabbed one, the proposed new name, [[Alliance of Enemies]], is not exactly that preferable in my opinion. It feels like a "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" situation where a group is given an "evil name", yet the actual members in it often believe they are in the right. I doubt most of the creatures in the Alliance would agree to being called "Enemies" in such a fashion. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 10:32, 15 June 2022 (UTC) |
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| yeh i saw the blowfish behind the uvodni aswell just. [[User:Silversurfer06|Silversurfer06]] 21:22, June 20,User 2010 (UTC)
| | :I agree that the proposed name is not really suitable. It's far too vague. I think this is an occasion where a dab is necessary. At least people will know without a doubt which Alliance the page is about when searching. [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:09, 15 June 2022 (UTC) |
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| == Judoon == | | :: Coming back to this, ''[[Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe (short story)|Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe]]'' does not exactly specify the name's meaning but I believe it is open to interpretation that it could refer to factions that would have usually been hostile towards each other (Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, Draconians etc.) rather than assorted enemies of the Doctor. [[User:MrThermomanPreacher|MrThermomanPreacher]] [[User talk:MrThermomanPreacher|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC) |
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| sorry just don't get it why are they there, there basically allies to the doctor, more allies than enemy, the judoon even wanted help from the doctor when fighting the daleks and thats another thing in that room the judoon are probably trying to stop most of the aliens in that room, and also another thing i think they could be helping the doctor cause they never said ONE word in the whole scene which makes me think are they being sneeky. [[User:Silversurfer06|Silversurfer06]] 21:28, June 20,User 2010 (UTC)
| | == deffo change the name == |
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| But the Judoon wanted to get their hands on the Doctor's TARDIS so they could destroy the Daleks. They were actually trying to steal it. --[[User:CGW|CGW]] 07:02, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
| | i think we should deffo change the article name to Pandorica Alliance or something so ye {{Unsigned|SJM-123}} |
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| No. Is it so hard to understand? The Judoon also think that the TARDIS may destroy the universe. So, they seal the Doctor away to stop the universe from getting destroyed! If your life was on the line, you would help to stop yourself being killed, wouldn't you? {{User:Solar Dragon/Signature}} 07:05, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
| | : I don't mind the way this page is named, but if it were to be changed, I agree "The Pandorica Alliance" would work well. [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| I agree, they thought it was the Doctors fault and will always quickly change there minds on stuff or people depending on what they think is more justice, in this case, survivaul. [[Special:Contributions/98.109.139.104|98.109.139.104]] 14:27, July 28, 2011 (UTC) Smurf Who
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| == Leader? ==
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| On the page it says that the Supreme Dalek is the leader, but the Cyber-Leader or Commander Stark could easily have been the leader! My theory is that the Cyber-Leader's universe started to fade away (he seemed to know all the universes would disappear) and he broke through where he contacted Commander Stark and they got the Alliance together, but then the Progenitor Daleks took over and the Strategist Daleks devised a plan, the Scientist built the Pandorica after the Drone collected the residue stuff from Amy's house and the Eternal stopped all the others from rebelling (which they probably do in the next episode) as he seems to have the ability to never die (the stone dalek may be him, able to move). Your theories? [[User:Kerange|Kerange]] 18:35, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Leader of the allaince ==
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| Dont you think that the supreme dalek is the leader of the alliance overall he represented the alliance and mostly was at the front all the time and spoke the most.[[User:The mysterious|The mysterious]] 16:22, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| I think its much easier not to put a leader then it stops any arguments. --[[User:The Brig|The Brig]] 16:32, June 22, 2010 (UTC) | |
| ==How is this possible==
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| Sure the Daleks, Sontarans a few others could easily be there. But the cybermen all died, so how are they there? The blowfish was killed in Torchwood, and I never saw a Weevil there either. How is this possible? Plus, how would they join together. They could have been anywhere in the universe![[User:Fallen5|Fallen5]] 17:00, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| blowfish is a species. There are two seperate blowfish on Torchwood one in the first series 2 episode and one in the episode where they all have flashbacks. [[User:Lu-igi board|Lu-igi board]]
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| the cybermen travelled into our universe and are spread across the universe luigi board is right and the weevil is there as i could easily spot it
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| They all came from different time periods and joined to save the universe. The Daleks arrived from some point in their own history after being recreated in WWII, the Cybermen in the small periods they existed on this Earth etc. --{{SUBST:User:Orhan94/autosig}} 07:46, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
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| They did it to survive, as basic as that [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.109.139.104 [[Special:Contributions/98.109.139.104|98.109.139.104]] 14:29, July 28, 2011 (UTC)] Smurf Who
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| ==Good guys?==
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| In a sense they are working together to save the universe. So are they good or bad? [[User:Alpha111|Alpha111]] 18:02, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| The jury's still out on that, but I suppose it can be said that they are a bunch of bad guys trying to do something good. --[[User:Jpx400|Jpx400]] 02:50, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| == The Aliance unseen members ==
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| These people will not be appearing, but are in the alliance due to costs
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| Don't expect to see these Aliens.
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| An Atraxi ship can actually be seen among the spaceships when the Doctor manages to scare them off. I don't know what some of these races look like, but a pinkish creature with a large, spiky fin like a punk rocker hairdo and a green creature with large eyes can be seen during the overview before the Doctor talks to them. --[[User:Jpx400|Jpx400]] 14:07, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| pink creature is blowfish green i dont know possibly a uvodni in a strange light
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| Wait a mo. The Doctor never did anything to the Uvodni, and I didn't see any either. Didn't see no Kudlak or nothing. [[User:Commisar1945|Commisar1945]] 19:01, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| he probably had an encounter with the uvodni,weevils,etc before. wikia contributer
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| Didn't River say there were millions of ships, not 10,000? So we really should put that in the Garrison box.
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| When I saw the scene with all the spaceships I saw the Racnoss ship I think we should add the Racnoss to the list of members.[[Special:Contributions/88.104.100.19|88.104.100.19]] 15:57, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Seems unlikely, since the [[Empress of the Racnoss]] was supposed to be in hibernation and the others were dead or trapped in the centre of the Earth. The [[Webstar]] looks like an [[Atraxi]]; are you sure you didn't see that instead? -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 19:47, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
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| Yes there ARE Weevils in the Alliance, but they REALLY don't show up on the screen. The ONLY time you can BARELY see one is right behind the Cyber Leader after the Pandorica is sealed. I think wee should remove them from the Alliance listing because they really didn't have much of a physical appearance in the episode.{{Unsigned|Forgetful 10th doctor fan}}
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| No, they should still be included because they are in the alliance. The amount of time they get on screen is irrelevant.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 21:16, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
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| I understand how all the other species were albe to work together to keep themselves alive and save the universe, but how could the weeping angels ever be part of the alliance without turning to stone or feasting on the other aliens time line or something like that, it's hard for them to even work with each other, almost impossible with the Alliance, and yet the are listed as noble members. Also I never saw them or heard them mentioned, so were are we getting them as noble members? [[Special:Contributions/98.109.139.104|98.109.139.104]] 14:07, July 28, 2011 (UTC)Smurf Who[[Special:Contributions/98.109.139.104|98.109.139.104]] 14:07, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
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I noticed that every famous Doctor Who villain was here... except for the Weeping Angels, one of the most popular monsters of late.
Though I can understand reasons why they wouldn't show up.
Mainly because they are sadists who probably wouldn't care less if the universe is destroyed.
In fact they were probably welcoming it because it would put them out of their misery.
And they don't have spaceships...
But I'm pretty sure they have their own way of traveling through space.
Exactly where in the scene is the Weevil? I looked where other people say but it turned out to be the Hoix. You can see the cables in it's "armor." Also, am I the only one who noticed that the Sycorax DO physically appear? There's one in the VEERY back. On this page's image it can be seen in the top left. It's helmet is on.
- Take a look at this screenshot (not done by me): http://dalektricity.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/silurians-and-weevils.jpg. The Weevils are definitely there.
- As for the Sycorax, yes, you are correct. But note that they're already noted in the "Notable Members" section. (God, that's a lot of notes...)
- --SOTO ☎ 02:22, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure the Zygons were there. I am actually almost positive they weren't– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 174.71.45.157 (talk).
Zygons didn't physically show up, they were a name drop like some of the other races when River is prattling of the owners of the ships descending on Stonehenge. - Anonymous– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.5.174.172 (talk).
Chronological Placement in Articles[[edit source]]
Where exactly would the actions of the Alliance fit in the histories of species pages such as Dalek, Cyberman, Sontaran, etc? Does the Alliance count as an alternate timeline scenario, even though it was a part of the "prime" timeline before the Eleventh Doctor "rebooted" the universe in The Big Bang?Thalek Prime Overseer ☎ 10:52, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
While an undabbed name is often preferable to a dabbed one, the proposed new name, Alliance of Enemies, is not exactly that preferable in my opinion. It feels like a "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" situation where a group is given an "evil name", yet the actual members in it often believe they are in the right. I doubt most of the creatures in the Alliance would agree to being called "Enemies" in such a fashion.
10:32, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that the proposed name is not really suitable. It's far too vague. I think this is an occasion where a dab is necessary. At least people will know without a doubt which Alliance the page is about when searching. LauraBatham ☎ 11:09, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Coming back to this, Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe does not exactly specify the name's meaning but I believe it is open to interpretation that it could refer to factions that would have usually been hostile towards each other (Daleks, Cybermen, Sontarans, Draconians etc.) rather than assorted enemies of the Doctor. MrThermomanPreacher ☎ 07:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
i think we should deffo change the article name to Pandorica Alliance or something so ye – The preceding unsigned comment was added by SJM-123 (talk • contribs) .
- I don't mind the way this page is named, but if it were to be changed, I agree "The Pandorica Alliance" would work well. Fractal Doctor ☎ 18:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
