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To admins how should we change how we're dealing with people, what else should we be doing to help? Are we too quick to hit the undo, rollback, protect, delete or Block buttons? Should policy be changed? --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:50, May 6, 2011 (UTC) | To admins how should we change how we're dealing with people, what else should we be doing to help? Are we too quick to hit the undo, rollback, protect, delete or Block buttons? Should policy be changed? --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:50, May 6, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:I would say that yes, you guys tend to be protective of your power and are occasionally rash in your actions. One thing that might help would be a general rule of thumb: when reverting edits, always insert a legitimate reason why you are doing so. Reverting without explaining, IMO, show that you don't care enough about your responsibilities and the other user to explain yourself. I'd like to point out that while Sysops answer to the Wiki Leader (Tangerinedual, I believe), they ultimately still serve the Public. Your job as a Sysop is to make my editing easier, friendlier, and better overall. If you aren't trying to do that, then you are failing at your Sysop position. I realize that it is also the responsibility of the regular user to respect and listen to the Sysops, but if the Sysops don't care enough to really bother with following the rules and helping me, then why should I waste my time with them? --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 15:04, May 6, 2011 (UTC) | :I would say that yes, you guys tend to be protective of your power and are occasionally rash in your actions. One thing that might help would be a general rule of thumb: when reverting edits, always insert a legitimate reason why you are doing so. Reverting without explaining, IMO, show that you don't care enough about your responsibilities and the other user to explain yourself. I'd like to point out that while Sysops answer to the Wiki Leader (Tangerinedual, I believe), they ultimately still serve the Public. Your job as a Sysop is to make my editing easier, friendlier, and better overall. If you aren't trying to do that, then you are failing at your Sysop position. I realize that it is also the responsibility of the regular user to respect and listen to the Sysops, but if the Sysops don't care enough to really bother with following the rules and helping me, then why should I waste my time with them? --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 15:04, May 6, 2011 (UTC) | ||
I think that some users are hostile, I recall that [[User:Bold Clone]] has mentioned that he would describe himself as aggressive. Obviously anyone who has had their edits reverted isn't happy, but I can't recall a case in which this wasn't justified. As long as you answer any inquiries as to their misdoings, it usually ends well. However, some users seem to take a reversion as their call to complain. Unfortunate, but predictable. It's only a small proportion that are blocked, and then its usually for vandalism. It's hard to tell if unregistered users are leaving, but I have noticed a number or registered editors expressing views similar to that one linked above. ----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 15:23, May 6, 2011 (UTC) | |||
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If this thread's title doesn't specify it's spoilery, don't bring any up.
After seeing more than once a declaration such as "Forum:Please delete me" not just in the forums but on talk pages, I thought we should discuss this.
To new editors and IP editors what would you like to see changed? Please though keep in mind such things as the protection policy is as about maintaining the integrity of the wiki's information, and prior to it we had a huge amount of vandalism following new stories.
I know we all make mistakes, admins as well (I think I've likely made thousands of mistakes). We need to learn and move on, or help the editors to understand their mistakes. Not all bad edits need undoing or reverting but simply may need editing to improve them. Rollbacks or undos might be easier, but may not improve the quality.
To admins how should we change how we're dealing with people, what else should we be doing to help? Are we too quick to hit the undo, rollback, protect, delete or Block buttons? Should policy be changed? --Tangerineduel / talk 14:50, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
- I would say that yes, you guys tend to be protective of your power and are occasionally rash in your actions. One thing that might help would be a general rule of thumb: when reverting edits, always insert a legitimate reason why you are doing so. Reverting without explaining, IMO, show that you don't care enough about your responsibilities and the other user to explain yourself. I'd like to point out that while Sysops answer to the Wiki Leader (Tangerinedual, I believe), they ultimately still serve the Public. Your job as a Sysop is to make my editing easier, friendlier, and better overall. If you aren't trying to do that, then you are failing at your Sysop position. I realize that it is also the responsibility of the regular user to respect and listen to the Sysops, but if the Sysops don't care enough to really bother with following the rules and helping me, then why should I waste my time with them? --Bold Clone 15:04, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
I think that some users are hostile, I recall that User:Bold Clone has mentioned that he would describe himself as aggressive. Obviously anyone who has had their edits reverted isn't happy, but I can't recall a case in which this wasn't justified. As long as you answer any inquiries as to their misdoings, it usually ends well. However, some users seem to take a reversion as their call to complain. Unfortunate, but predictable. It's only a small proportion that are blocked, and then its usually for vandalism. It's hard to tell if unregistered users are leaving, but I have noticed a number or registered editors expressing views similar to that one linked above. ----Skittles the hog--Talk 15:23, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
