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'''Dårlig Ulv-Stranden''' — which, according to the non-Norwegian speaker, [[Rose Tyler]], meant "[[Bad Wolf meme|Bad Wolf]] Bay" — was a bay fifty miles outside [[Bergen]] in [[Norway]] on the alternate Earth dubbed "[[Pete's World]]". It was notable for being the place where the [[Tenth Doctor]] and Rose said their first "final" farewells to each other. ([[DW]]: ''[[Doomsday]]'') Rose would later call it the location of "the worst day of [her] life". ([[DW]]: ''[[Journey's End]]'')my life my future okay the worst day eAfter the [[War in the Medusa Cascade]], the Doctor took Rose back <!---  DO NOT add a category other than Floor 500 to this page!--->
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'''Dårlig Ulv-Stranden''' — which, according to non-[[Norwegian language|Norwegian]] speaker [[Rose Tyler]], meant "[[Bad Wolf meme|Bad Wolf]] Bay" — was a [[bay]] fifty miles outside [[Bergen (Pete's World)|Bergen]] in [[Norway (Pete's World)|Norway]] on the [[Earth (Pete's World)|alternate Earth]] in "[[Pete's World]]". It was notable for being the place where the [[Tenth Doctor]] and Rose said their first "final" farewells to each other. ([[TV]]: ''[[Doomsday (TV story)|Doomsday]]'') Rose later called it the location of "the worst day of [her] life".


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After the [[War in the Medusa Cascade]], the Doctor took Rose back to Bad Wolf Bay with the [[Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor|Meta-Crisis Doctor]] and [[Jackie Tyler|Jackie]]. The Meta-Crisis Doctor elected to stay with Rose. The two shared a kiss as the Doctor and Donna departed in [[The Doctor's TARDIS|the TARDIS]]. ([[TV]]: ''[[Journey's End (TV story)|Journey's End]]'')


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== Behind the scenes ==
=== Lost in translation ===
Although a reasonable name from an artistic standpoint, Norwegian speakers have noted several real world difficulties with the name.
* Despite actor pronunciation in the episodes featured, it is actually pronounced "''Dorli Ulv-Stranden''".
* The adjective "dårlig" can be literally translated as "bad", but its meaning is either "poor in quality" or "feeling bad; as in feeling sick", rather than the context the [[Bad Wolf (entity)|Bad Wolf]] entity entails. A better translation might have been "Slemulvbukten" or "Styggulvbukten".
* Strand actually means "beach" or "seacoast", not "bay".
* A strictly literal translation of "Dårlig Ulv Stranden" might be "The poor wolf-beach".
* The actual meaning (possibly in an alternate reality version of Norwegian) is "Bad Wolf Shore", where "Dårlig" means "Bad" in Danish, "Ulv" means "Wolf" in Danish and "Stranden" means "Shore" in Swedish.


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However, the name given does have the virtue of being a double-pun. As the Doctor points out, "Dårlig" is phonetically similar to "Dalek", while "Stranden" refers to Rose's situation: stranded in a parallel universe.
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* To date, only the Dårlig Ulv-Stranden located on Pete's World has ever been seen or referenced; whether it also exists in the main [[Earth]] of the [[Doctor Who universe|''Doctor Who'' universe]] is unclear. According to Google Maps there is no Dårlig Ulv Stranden in Norway.
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* The beach was filmed in {{w|Southerndown}} beach, (also known as Dunraven Bay), in South [[Wales]], which was later used as the surface of [[Alfava Metraxis]] in ''[[The Time of Angels (TV story)|The Time of Angels]]''/''[[Flesh and Stone (TV story)|Flesh and Stone]]'', as a meeting place between [[Jimmy Wicks (Ganger)|Jimmy Wicks' ganger]] and his son, [[Adam Wicks|Adam]] in ''[[The Almost People (TV story)|The Almost People]]'' and as the engine room of the [[Silurian Ark]] in ''[[Dinosaurs on a Spaceship (TV story)|Dinosaurs on a Spaceship]]''. It was also used as the setting of the restaurant that overlooked the [[Singing Towers]] of [[Darillium]], where [[River Song]]'s final meeting with the [[Twelfth Doctor]] took place. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Husbands of River Song (TV story)|The Husbands of River Song]]'')
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* To date, only the Dårlig Ulv-Stranden located on Pete's World has ever been seen or referenced; whether it also exists in the main Earth of the [[Doctor Who universe|''Doctor Who'' universe]] is unclear. According to Google Maps there is no Dårlig Ulv Stranden in Norway.
* The beach was filmed in [[wikipedia:Southerndown|Southerndown]] beach, in South [[Wales]], which was later used as the surface of [[Alfava Metraxis]] in ''[[The Time of Angels]]''/''[[Flesh and Stone]]''.
=== Lost in translation ===
Norwegian speakers have noted several real world difficulties with the name.
* Despite actor pronunciation in the episodes featured, it is actually pronounced "''Dorli Ulv-Stranden''".
* In fact, the actual Norwegian equivalent to "bad wolf" is "slem ulv"; the adjective "slem" can be translated roughly as "naughty" or "bad (in behavior)", whereas the adjective "dårlig" can be translated as "poor in quality" or "feeling bad; as in feeling sick". The phrase "Who's afraid of the big, bad wolf?" is translated into Norwegian as: "Hvem er redd for den store, stygge ulven?" - thus: "Bad Wolf Bay" in Norwegian would be "Styggulvstrand" (since Norwegian toponyms rarely use the definite article). This, however, is a very old-fashioned use of the word "stygg", so the best translation would be more like "Slemulvstrand". "Dårlig Ulv Stranden" was clearly chosen for the pun on "Dalek". The choice of 'stranden' may also be a pun on the fact that Rose was stranded.
* Strand actually means "beach" or "seacoast" not "bay". The Norwegian (bokmål) word for bay is "vik".
* Another reason for the choice of using "Dårlig", is that "bad" roughly translates to the same word. "The food has gone bad" translates to "Maten er blitt dårlig", which supports the choice. The pronunciation in the show also resembles "Dalek" (Daleg), which could have some pun intent to it.
* The Swedish translation of 'Bad Wolf' is "Stygga Vargen". "Dålig", a parallel of the Norwegian "Dårlig" actually gets it literally right. "Dåliga Vargen" means "Bad Wolf".
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Latest revision as of 02:57, 10 December 2023

Dårlig Ulv-Stranden — which, according to non-Norwegian speaker Rose Tyler, meant "Bad Wolf Bay" — was a bay fifty miles outside Bergen in Norway on the alternate Earth in "Pete's World". It was notable for being the place where the Tenth Doctor and Rose said their first "final" farewells to each other. (TV: Doomsday) Rose later called it the location of "the worst day of [her] life".

After the War in the Medusa Cascade, the Doctor took Rose back to Bad Wolf Bay with the Meta-Crisis Doctor and Jackie. The Meta-Crisis Doctor elected to stay with Rose. The two shared a kiss as the Doctor and Donna departed in the TARDIS. (TV: Journey's End)

Behind the scenes[[edit] | [edit source]]

Lost in translation[[edit] | [edit source]]

Although a reasonable name from an artistic standpoint, Norwegian speakers have noted several real world difficulties with the name.

  • Despite actor pronunciation in the episodes featured, it is actually pronounced "Dorli Ulv-Stranden".
  • The adjective "dårlig" can be literally translated as "bad", but its meaning is either "poor in quality" or "feeling bad; as in feeling sick", rather than the context the Bad Wolf entity entails. A better translation might have been "Slemulvbukten" or "Styggulvbukten".
  • Strand actually means "beach" or "seacoast", not "bay".
  • A strictly literal translation of "Dårlig Ulv Stranden" might be "The poor wolf-beach".
  • The actual meaning (possibly in an alternate reality version of Norwegian) is "Bad Wolf Shore", where "Dårlig" means "Bad" in Danish, "Ulv" means "Wolf" in Danish and "Stranden" means "Shore" in Swedish.

However, the name given does have the virtue of being a double-pun. As the Doctor points out, "Dårlig" is phonetically similar to "Dalek", while "Stranden" refers to Rose's situation: stranded in a parallel universe.

Other matters[[edit] | [edit source]]

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