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| Oh, it's all still very much in progress. In fact, the bot is in [[:category:organisations]] right now. But if you see something that looks weird, ''please'' do ask, because this is one hell of a big project, with lots of stages.
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| | Seems to be caused by {{uc:press statement}}, which likely doesn't need to be in all caps. Filter is functioning correctly. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 16:06: Wed 24 Jul 2013</span> |
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| BTW, what did you mean by your cryptic statement in the forum about ''[[The Dæmons]]''? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:35: Thu 01 Mar 2012 </span>
| | == Wikipediainfo == |
| | Hey, I notice you used {{tlx|wikipediainfo}} when you created [[Richelle Mead]]. As the template instructions indicate, we don't really want to use {{tlx|wikipediainfo}} on real world pages. Think of it as a way to give our readers real world information without violating [[T:NO RW]] — not as a substitute for writing a real world article. Thanks! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 01:05: Sat 07 Sep 2013</span> |
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| ==Mentions== | | == Plagiarism question == |
| Just did a random diff check on [[Jamie McCrimmon]] and noticed that you actively ''removed'' the "dead" mentions field. I've been reluctant to go that far, simply because my decision to make it inactive was an "emergency" move in reaction to a technical change on Wikia's part. Technically, the question of what to do about mentions is still open at [[Forum:"Mentions" field being deactivated]].
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| I'm not outright saying you ''can't'' remove them, but I think it might be wise for you to specifically use the word ''mentions'' in your edit summary when you take them away. That way, if interest in that thread reignites, and someone comes up with a clever way of reintegrating mentions, it'll be easy to find in the history. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:41: Tue 06 Mar 2012 </span>
| | Re your question at [[thread:142060]]: |
| :p.s. Thanks for helping with {{tl|you may}} and {{tl|dab page}}. It's not something I can easily fix with the bot. Should've thought about putting it on a template ''years'' ago — or at least before the last six months, where there's been an explosion of disambiguative editing.
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| | It's my opinion that when it comes to plagiarism, better safe than sorry. If there is a substantial amount of text that seems to have been lifted from another site, it's gotta go. I think what has happened with some of the older stories is that it was copied word for word, but over the years numerous editors have added and subtracted text, but it's still basically plagiarism. |
| Yeah, the bot and I are fully engaged. The problems of bulletised lists in infobox has been an unexpected "joy". It's probably best for the weekeend if you just send me notes on problems you find, instead of attempting to fix them yourself. The bot is having to make several individualised runs over the stories, which means you might trip up the bot if you decide to focus your editing on stories. I'm not saying "don't edit story pages", though. If you can improve the pages by adding new content, fine. But don't focus your energies on the infoboxes, and don't edit several infoboxes in a row, until Monday. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}23:54: Fri 09 Mar 2012 </span>
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| == Answering your questions about {{tl|Infobox Story}} ==
| | If you're up for rewriting any of the plot summaries, go for it. I don't want to cause you extra work, but I think in the long run it's less work to rewrite than to check sections back and forth and correct here and there. Don't forget to put an "in use" tag if you feel you need it. Thanks a bunch! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:34, September 26, 2013 (UTC) |
| All great questions! Here are the answers, in the order you asked:
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| #The definition of a "main setting" is surely subjective, but maybe if I give a few examples it'll make sense. It's the same variable that it's always been, just with a different label. By changing the label, I was hoping to encourage a reduction in clutter a bit. A lot of these pages had ''ridiculous'' detail ("London, England, UK, Earth" when "London" is just fine). To answer your question directly, I would say it's best to keep it to just a single, broad location, unless the action really is split. With ''[[Closing Time (TV story)|Closing Time]]'', for instance, It's really just Colchester. The bit at the university doesn't warrant the additional space that mentioning it would take up. What people have to remember with infoboxes is that the more info they contain, the longer the infobox is, and the more the pics on the page are going to get screwed up. They're not meant to house every single detail of the production. There should be just enough to jog the memory or otherwise merely ''identify'' the programme. The ''article'' is where the details should be. If the action is ''truly'' split 50/50 between two locations, maybe it's okay to put them both down. But, y'know, ''The Five Doctors'' happens on [[Gallifrey]], period. There's no need to say, "some of it's in the Citadel, some of it's in the Death Zone, some of it's in the Tomb of Rassilon, and a wee bit of it is back on Earth". And ''The Doctor Dances'' happens in ''[[London]] during [[the Blitz]]". There are smallish scenes which happen elsewhere, but "London during the Blitz" is more than enough. I guess what I'm saying is that an infobox should be about ''economy''. Find the fewest amount of words to indicate the truest sense of the episode, and you've solved the riddle.
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| #Double-banked episodes aren't actually ''completely'' double-banked. In every case, one of them always enters production first. For instance, the first shot for ''Blink'' was 7 November 2006. It's just the main part of the shoot that happens around the latter part of the month, when ''Human Nature'' was also in production. I'm not aware of a case where two episodes started production on exactly the same date. If I don't get around to adding in all this production order myself, just trust Shannon Sullivan's site. He's researched this stuff quite thoroughly and has things production ordered as correctly as possible, based on the evidence available. I've independently checked him versus the Virgin ''Handbook'' series, and some ''DWM'' products. While I have very occasionally found errors in ''some'' of his facts, I've never seen an error on any production ordering.
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| #I would say that ''Dreamland'' is not a part of the production before/next chain, but it ''is'' a part of the broadcast chain. I personally would consider the previous/next chain to go WOM, Dreamland, EOT. But I'm open to persuasion, if you've got a compelling argument.
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| #{{tl|Infobox Story}} is already in place on K9, SJA and TW pages, and appears to be handling things quite well. It will soon be on ''every'' type of story page. I don't see any good reason why we need all these different infoboxes with all these different variables. It should be possible for editors to reliable know that they can use "name" for the name of any story, regardless of medium, for instance. Ultimately, this template will be the only one you need for writing story pages.
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| #I haven't looked at EOT specifically yet. I'm not aware of any particular issue, though, since both {{{confidential}}} and {{{story number}}} will accommodate multiple responses. Could you be more specific about your concerns?
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| If you have further questions, of course feel free to ask them. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}01:59: Sat 10 Mar 2012 </span>
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| | I wonder if you could do me a favor. I was looking through the plot summary for ''[[Day One]]'', and there's a scene where the rest of the Torchwood crew is discussing what they know about Jack. There is a sentence in the middle of this section that says: "Ianto think she's CIA." I haven't seen this episode, so I don't know if Ianto is talking about Jack and it's a typo, or if he's talking about Gwen, who is referred to in the previous sentence. Do you have any idea which is correct? Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:26, September 29, 2013 (UTC) |
| Hmmm, I'm not sure what went wrong there. I'm guessing these few categories got shortchanged when I had a power failure that occurred while I was AFK. Glad you caught it. I'll, um, put it on the list of things to correct.
| | :Thanks! I went ahead and fixed it, and if you or someone else later find that it's wrong, it can be fixed. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:14, September 29, 2013 (UTC) |
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| I'm guessing btw, that ''The Unheard Voice'' and ''Doomcloud'' confusion in particular, came from the fact that a user has been obsessed with confusingly putting these "stories with disputed Doctors" into both categories, instead of just focussing on the original printing. So yeah, if I had to take a guess at the bot error, it was that they got picked up on the TVC run and then weren't added to PHS/TVA categories because the bot had already made it through.
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| | Didn't you sometime, somewhere, within the last month say something about preloads needed to be fixed? I was looking around for that comment today but couldn't find it. If I've got the wrong man, please forgive me. But if I've got the right one, please jog my memory. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 19:36: Fri 11 Oct 2013</span> |
| | :That must be it! Thanks! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 15:18: Sat 12 Oct 2013</span> |
| | == Help == |
| | Hey, can I prevail upon you for a little bit of immediate help. Any chance that you could do the crew lists for the last four eps of 7b today? I know, I know: it's my own fault for not fixing {{tlx|wales crew}} sooner, but if you could help with that, I'd be mighty appreciative. If you can't, though, lemme know. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 15:18: Sat 12 Oct 2013</span> |
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| As you might have imagined, I've moved on with the bot, so this corrective run might be a few days away. If things don't change by this time next week, remind me please. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}00:46: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| == Trickster == | | Well, I put this in the thread, but it's really hard to read it there. I thought you might like to see it at full width. This chart tells you which episodes you ''don't'' need to worry about anymore, as they've already been touched by two editors. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 01:05: Tue 15 Oct 2013</span> |
| Speaking of reminders, there's something from the top of my talk page that I preserved when I archived, and I still don't know the answer to it. You asked what we should do with the Trickster. And I dunno. Apparently there's yet a third Trickster running around out there, cause there's one in ''[[Love and War (novel)|Love and War]]''. So we've got [[the Trickster]], [[Trickster (Kinda)]] and [[Trickster (Love and War)]]. I was listening to the DW Book Club Podcast about Love and War, though, and they're of the opinion that nothing prevents the ''Love and War'' Trickster from being the SJA Trickster. So at this point, I'd say, ask the question at the forums and hope that someone has a better idea than me. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}00:46: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| :You'd ''think'' so, but the thing is that if you can't definitively separate them, then maybe they're the same character. Yanno what I mean? I mean, I'm sure [[Gareth Roberts]] read ''Love and War''. He ''had'' to. This isn't like three guys all named "John Brown" or something. It's more akin to the situation of [[Gorgon]]. We currently have two pages, but there's absolutely nothing, AFAIK, which prevents us putting the SJA [[Gorgon (mythology)|Gorgon]]s and the TVC [[Gorgon]]s on the same page, like we do with the [[Pied Piper]]. The Trickster is an archetypal, mythological character. I think we need definitive proof, first, that the characters are demonstrably ''different'' before we put them on different pages. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}07:07: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| Yeah, don't bother manually deleting {{tl|bp}}. I'm just going to change what it does. A lot more efficient. Might take me a bit of time to get around to it, but it's a simple fix. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}07:07: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| :{{tl|bp}} has been neutered now. As for raw HTML, it's easily removed through a couple of bot processes. I'm behind schedule, so it's probably now more likes ''next'' week when I'll have all this done. But the bot runs were refined yesterday and seem to be working well enough. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}18:29: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| ::Hmmmm, sorry if that was vague. The "above code you mentioned" is "raw HTML". So, yes, I'll take care of fixing all things about the infoboxes. Please move on to other things except the infoboxes for a while, if you would. Keep notifying me if you see strange things, of course. But I'll take care of both the {{tl|bp}} and HTML ways of creating bulleted lists. It'll be fine :) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}19:26: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| Well I hadn't really thought one way or the other about interior images. I'd guess there's nothing ''wrong'' with interior images, but I had not envisioned there being too many of those. What did you have in mind? Something like shots of people strolling on the decks of the [[SS Bernice]]? Shots of Torchwood in the SUV?
| | When you have a moment, could you please stop by chat? Thanks :) (It's nothing bad, don't worry.) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 19:41: Tue 15 Oct 2013</span> 19:41, October 15, 2013 (UTC) |
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| Almost ''any'' TARDIS interior, for instance is useful to identify as a TARDIS interior, cause you get something from the backgrounds you can see. But shots of people in cars, eh, I dunno — unless you can see some instrumentation or a significant part of the body.
| | I guess I don't understand why the lead-in to the Tenth Doctor article, the identity of his incarnation, depends on the attestation of a minor character from a comic that a lot of people on here probably haven't read. Clara specified that her Doctor was the Eleventh Doctor, but if I added that, I'm willing to bet it would be deleted within a day. [[User:TARDIStraveler|TARDIStraveler]] [[User talk:TARDIStraveler|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:25, October 23, 2013 (UTC) |
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| Broadly speaking, though, I'm not gonna be doing a hell of a lot of correction of people on these image categories. Categorisation is almost always better than non-categorisation, even if the categorisation is iffy. If you can justify it in your own mind, I can prolly live with it. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}18:29: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| :I'd prolly say yay to the Titanic's nuclear storm drive. But then I could see that ''most'' VOTD and Midnight shots would be fine. I'd probably go the extent of creating a separate subcat for each ("Titanic spaceship images" and "whatever-that-thing-is-called images") just because there'd be more than three images from each. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}19:31: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| | Hey, I just wanted to let you know that your recent many cleanup edits have not gone unnoticed or unappreciated. I noticed that you've been concentrating a lot on stuff that relates to 2005-Doctor Who. That's probably going to help with the Rotten Tomatoes stuff. Thanks for all your hard work! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:10, November 17, 2013 (UTC) |
| Do you really think it's necessary to put 'Cardiff, Wales' as someone's place of origin, when 'Cardiff' would suffice? In my opinion, it's not really needed, it like someone putting Cardiff, Wales, UK, Earth in the setting section - it just unneeded, extra info. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 20:33, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
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| :That's a good questions, we can't really put [place], [country] for some, and just [place] for others. I would, personally, just put [place]. People can easily click on the link to find out where it is, and it will be the article anyway. The infobox should be a summary, not exact. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 20:49, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Right now, it should be left till Czechout is done with the infobox. Ideally it would be good to have the same patter running through all the story infoboxes ([place]). However, we should wait and see what happens and whatever is easier. Your idea for putting it in for smaller places that people may not know, does sound reasonable. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 21:01, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
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| :::As MM is saying go specific, go succinct. To reiterate a point I made earlier on the page:
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| ::::I guess what I'm saying is that an infobox should be about ''economy''. Find the fewest amount of words to indicate the truest sense of the episode, and you've solved the riddle.
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| :::So: "[[London]]", not "[[London]], [[England]], [[United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland]], [[Europe]], [[Earth]]". Or "[[Paris]]", not "[[Paris]], [[France]]" (''but'' [[Paris, New Mexico]], because that won't be expected). Or [[New York City]] or [[New York (state)|State of New York]], because [[New York]] is too vague. Equally, I understand the distinction some people make when they link to things like Kingdom of France instead of just France, or the Colony of Virginia instead of just Virginia, but it's really not necessary for the infobox. Remember, we're trying to limit the vertical size of the infobox. I mean, I love Wookieepedia, but some of their infoboxes are ''truly'' out of control, and they make mobile viewing a sheer misery. A big part of this exercise is not just achieving a standard look to infoboxes but also to make them ''consumable'' in a matter of seconds. So, choose the right word or two, remember that our users can click on links so they don't need to be spoonfed every bit of detail, and all will be well. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}22:56: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| I feel like I've answered this question three times today. Maybe I'm not being blunt enough. Please stop editing infoboxes at all, except to the extent that you are starting ''new'' articles. Plenty of other things to edit on the wiki. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}20:56: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| Yanno, I think this is just voice actors in general, inasmuch as those actors are different from the actor specified at {{{actor}}}. So [[Tom Baker]] isn't the voice actor listed at [[Fourth Doctor]].
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| As this is literally a brand new article, I've not had time to think about whether the language should read a little differently. And we have time to rejigger this, because it doesn't exist on most pages yet. So there's plenty of wiggle room on these variables. I set {{{other actor}}} to read "Other TV actors". I was gonna make {{{actor}}} read "Main TV actor", but then I remembered the infobox would be used for the Dalek films characters, where TV wouldn't apply. Maybe I should make it so that, for those few film characters, there's a different variable, like {{film actor}}}. Kick it around with MM, who requested the variable, and see what you guys come up with. I do think the labels of Main TV actor, Other TV actor, Voice actor makes sense. K9's a conundrum for me, because there is no ''other'' actor involved. So why wouldn't you just put him down as {{{actor}}}? On the other hand, characters like [[Alpha Centauri]] and [[Judoon captain (Smith and Jones)]] clearly have a physical actor and a voice actor. So we probably do need to have {{{physical actor}}}.
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| I dunno — this part of the infobox isn't set in stone yet. Why don't you guys start talking about in on [[forum:New infoboxes and you]] and maybe we'll come to a good conclusion over time. It all can be added and fixed relatively easily later, because, again, these variables are brand new. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}22:56: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| == Help! ==
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| And, finally, speaking of that forum thread, could I get you to do a huge favor for me? I really need to get back to hardcore editing and infobox implementation. But I don't want to leave the community behind. Would you consider cutting and pasting these infobox conversations that I've had here, [[user talk:Gousha]], [[user talk:Tangerineduel]] and [[user talk:Mini-mitch]] to [[forum:New infoboxes and you]]? If you can, please put them into neatly titled sections so that new readers can understand what's going on and what's already been debated. It would really help to get all this stuff onto one page, so that '''we''' are all on one page about infoboxes. It doesn't have to be an exact cut and paste. If editing it will provide quicker comprehension of the basic points, do that. But it's clear to me we need some sort of single discussion resource, and I just don't have the time to do it.
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| Yeah, that's probably a better idea if you can possibly spare some time to do it. (''Pretty please with a chocolate [[Romana I]] on top?'') {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}22:56: Sun 11 Mar 2012 </span>
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| :Sorry for the delay. Lost in thought over a tricky little bit of regex. As long as you've created the forum thread properly (i.e., by going to [[forum:panoopticon ]] and using the new thread input box, it will ''automatically'' be in [[:category:panopticon]]. If you tried to do a shortcut by using a "new page" button somewhere then you have to manually add <pre>{{forumheader|Panopticon}}</pre> at the very top of the page. In other words, don't just put it in cat:panop, but actually use {{tl|forumheader}} to do it.
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| :Oh, and here's a bit of infobox-related cleanup work you can do. Apparently, the bot went a little wild on a few TV story pages and changed the first link in the lead paragraph, rather than the last link in the infobox. So if you want to quickly scour the first paragraph of each TV story page, beginning with AUC and going through to ''Wardrobe'', that'd be cool. The error's easy to spot. There's just a totally random (comic story) or {TV story) next to something that ''should'' be linked but isn't — like maybe <code>Series 2 (Doctor Who) | Series 2 (TV story)</code>.
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| :At the same time, if you want to put in proper {{{made prev}}}/{{{made next}}} for all stories, based on Shannon Sullivan's site, that shouldn't interrupt the bot. I've done a little stretch as an example, from ''[[The Invisible Enemy]]'' to ''[[Warriors' Gate]]''. It's a good mix because one of the seasons was filmed as broadcast, but the others are seriously screwed up. It shows when made prev/next are necessary and when they aren't.
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| :Obviously, you don't ''have'' to do any of this, but it's definitely a thing that the bot wouldn't be efficient at doing. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}02:19: Mon 12 Mar 2012 </span>
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| ::Re {{{mentions}}}, that puppy's dead. Since then I've just decided to whack it. Deleting a variable and its contents is super easy, and I can mark it with an edit summary, so that it can be found later if necessary. It doesn't need to be archived, because there's already a thread in the tech notes section about it. I'll just add a little note there later. But removing a dummy variable is sorta low on the list of the things the bot needs to do. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}02:24: Mon 12 Mar 2012 </span>
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| *Images separated only by capitalisation: both should '''absolutely''' be flagged. Actually, if you see pics that have ''anything'' but ''all lower case'' versions of file extensions, or .jpeg instead of .jpg, these should be flagged. [[T:ICC]] gives the ''exact'' form of file extensions, and they are <code>.jpg .png .svg</code>, period.
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| *For the moment, let's keep ''Dreamland'' only on the prev/next '''story''' axis. It shouldn't be on the made prev/made next axis. It's the opposite case of ''[[Shada (TV story)|Shada]]''. I think we probably ''could'' find a start date somewhere, maybe in the [[DWMSE]] relative to the last year of Ten. But that's research work that's, to my mind, of secondary importance right now. Always easily changeable later.
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| *While you're fixin' ''Dreamland'', don't forget that we now have {{{network}}} and that variable should be [[BBC Red Button]] for Dreamland.
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| *And just to pre-answer your next question, since the vote in [[Forum:Attack of the Graske: tv or video game]] seems to be going video game more than TV, it's not a part of the prev/next chain on TV stories, but video games.
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| *And just to pre-answer your next ''next'' question, ''[[The Infinite Quest]]'' ''is'' in the previous/next broadcast chain, between ''[[The Sound of Drums]]'' and ''[[Last of the Time Lords]]'', since both the first broadcast of the final part and the first broadcast of the entire thing was on the day before LOTL. Remember, previous and next are about whatever is in the range variable (I may in fact pull the range down to navigation to make that clearer). And the range here is "DW TV stories". The fact that ''Quest'' isn't officially part of series 3 is quite beside the point that the navigation is trying to achieve.
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| *[[Billy Wilkins]] unusually had a [[pipe trick]] in the image declaration, which the bot wasn't at all expecting, because pipe tricks achieve nothing in the context of an infobox.
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| *[[Revelation of the Daleks]] had a previous injury done by another user. The box was in fact collapsed before the bot's last few touches of it.
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| *[[user:Americanwhofan]] asked about [[Hath Gable]], but you should know about this specific type of problem too. Because I wasn't expecting people to put infoboxes all on one line — an approach that technically works, but isn't at all recommended or suggested — I didn't program the bot to expect that. Consequently, the bot may have destroyed a few pages along the way. If you see pages that are now effectively empty, the solution, which must be done manually, is to undo the bot edit (or go to the last version of the page before it was destroyed, restore it, and then manually edit the infobox to the new standard. Or you can just send me a link to the page. Now that I know I have to expect the odd page that's done this way, I'm universally changing my programming to guard against this kind of destruction. But I'm guessing there must be similar damage on less than 1% of pages.
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| That's it for this round of questions. Short stories and comic stories will be converted in a few minutes. Hopefully, I can get through the main conversion of all story infoboxes today. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}15:26: Mon 12 Mar 2012 </span>
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| :Um, what tweaks do you need to do to prev/next on TV stories? You shouldn't be seeing syntactical errors there, with TV stories. There may be the odd factual change necessary (like, the wrong story entirely is in one of the variables). Those are fine to change. But if you are seeing things like extraneous brackets or non-italicisation, I need to know where, please. I thought I was about ready to release those variables to you, but the fact that you're suggesting a ''need'' for tweaks is slightly concerning. (Prev/next are still absolutely off limits with all other story types.) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}15:52: Mon 12 Mar 2012 </span>
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| ::Yes, if you're seeing "lots" still '''on television pages''', I need to know what they are. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}16:00: Mon 12 Mar 2012 </span>
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| :::Okay, I've just rerun the bot, and the only prev/next errors I picked up on was at ''Timelash'', at least as far as DW was concerned. There's also the bit with those stories where people tried to put more than one preceding story, but that's not a bot error. I think I can safely release prev story/next story '''on television pages only''' to you in one hour from the timestamp of this message. (There are, to be sure ''other'' errors on television pages that I need to look at, particularly why ''[[Attack of the Cybermen]]'' is resistant to the post-bullet-removal clean.) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}16:17: Mon 12 Mar 2012 </span>
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| ::::Ohhhhhh. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you appear to be talking about something that doesn't actually display, right? You're talking about the extra "name (TV story)" that happens on stories which actually ''need'' the disambuation term, like ''The End of Time'' and ''Castrovalva''. Yeah, in a strict sense it "shouldn't be there". In another sense, though, it's harmless. I can get rid of those through a bot run, but that's ''super low'' priority because it has no effect on the way the box displays. If you're talking about something else let me know. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}19:17: Mon 12 Mar 2012 </span>
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| Please stop editing TV story pages for one hour from 19:17, March 12, 2012 (UTC) so that I can quickly get the name situation fixed. At the end of that hour, you may recommence, and the previous/next story variables will be open to your editing pleasure. Please introduce the variables {{{previous note}}} and {{{next note}}} for those two special situations like AUC and TDTWATW to indicate where there is no prev or next. I'll drop it in the template shortly, but it may not display immediately. Previous/next note will actually be of more use in other media. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}19:17: Mon 12 Mar 2012 </span>
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| Can't remember where I put info about what to do when there's no prev/next item. But I just wanted to give you a heads up that I changed my programming motif on this one. Before I'd said I'd do something with {{{previous note}}}/{{{next note}}}. '''This has now been abandoned'''. Instead, simply enter <code>none</code> in the prev/next field. This seems much easier for users than having a whole different variable. You can see it working at ''[[An Unearthly Child]]''. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}20:19: Fri 16 Mar 2012 </span>
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| == Thanks! ==
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| Don't think I ever formally thanked you for setting up all the stuff at the forum. I ''think'' that's been extremely helpful to people because I've heard ''zero'' grumbling about these changes. Questions, comments and helpful suggestions, yes — but no actual bitchin'. Which means, I think, that you've created a system that helps people feel engaged in the process. And ''that'' means, of course, that your work was not just swift but ''valuable''. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}20:19: Fri 16 Mar 2012 </span>
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| Yeah, people have gone crazy with companions lately. An easy bot fix, though, which is why I've not been terribly quick to correct it. A list from you would be helpful though, as it would serve as the basis for a more permanent, automated fix, as opposed to one I'd have to manage by hand. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}21:52: Sat 24 Mar 2012 </span>
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| == Companions ==
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| Hey, is it okay to argue that [[David Campbell]] and [[H. G. Wells]] are companions? David travelled with the Doctor for almost all of [[Legacy of the Daleks]], and Herbert stowed away aboard the TARDIS hoping to see the universe, similar to Zoe... And does [[The Time Machination]] suggest they Futher travelled? I think I read that somewhere... What do you think? [[[[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 01:15, March 25, 2012 (UTC)]]
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| :Okay, I've stripped most of these guys of their companion status. There might have been one or two I missed just because the first run needed to be done manually. Later runs, done as part of regular maintenance, will be more automatic.
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| :Coupla points I'd disagree with you on, Tybort, only because we've had preceding arguments on the wiki.
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| :* Biggest one is [[Canton Delaware]]. He's fully a companion as it's implied there are months between ''Astronaut'' and ''Moon''. Plus, he gets a blue envelope not for nothin.' And he's in three eps, not just a two parter. And he's obviously been on a few TARDIS rides. By every traditional fan measurement, he's a companion.
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| :* [[Jackie Tyler]] is a companion. Largely cause I say so. :) No, but seriously, she does all the traditional things. Multiple TARDIS journeys. Defends the Doctor. (''[[Love & Monsters]]'' FTW). Nurses a Doctor post-regeneratively. Known in multiple dimensions. The Doctor even spent Christmas dinner with her. She's really quite different to any of the companion mothers that followed. It's really hard to find an argument against her being a companion.
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| :*K9 Mark IV does count. Multiple adventures. ''Journey's End'' and ''Wedding''.
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| :*K9 III I don't have a particular problem with under Tenth Doctor companions. I mean he gave his life for the Tenth Doctor. It's a border case but I'm not really going to fight the fight on that one, cause people will always just put it back. I don't really know off the top of my head what the Six connection is, but I'm leaving it for the time being. The contentious one is actually Fourth Doctor. You're right to cite the annuals, as that's the ''most likely'' explanation. But we don't really have any narrative ''proof'' of that. An alternate explanation is that the K9/Adric stories merely take place when Romana is sleeping. At least I assume that works. Been a while since I've looked at that annual. In any case I think the category asserts something we don't ''know'' is true. Again, though, I'm leaving it in place until more study can be done.
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| :* Like OS says, David Campbell is right on the border because of ''Legacy'', but I'm not particularly convinced. It's much more like a one-off case, like H. G. Wells. ''A'' trip in the TARDIS doesn't generally count for most fans, so it's counter-intuitive to assert Wells as a companion.
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| :*[[user:Tangerineduel]] is, I think, [[Talk:Jason Kane|of the impression]] that [[Jason Kane]] probably doesn't count either, but I've left that alone for now.
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| :*Lynda Moss I've removed but honestly I don't know that I'll police it. She basically is acting, like Astrid, as a companion on her first adventure, but then she gets killed before she can enter the TARDIS. She accepted his invitation to travel with him so she's probably a companion. To be honest with you, I was moving quickly with the manual deletion and I deleted her before I fully thought about it, and can't be bothered to undo the change!
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| :* Some people are gonna cry foul on Jago and Litefoot, but such people can suck it. Just because you get a Companion Chronicle doesn't actually make you a companion.
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| :*I dunno that Lily Arwell counts. If anyone, the companion is Madge. In the modern era we go with billing, if the narrative gives us no indication of true companion status. | |
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| :And on your side note, ''what'' stuff is incorrectly alphabetised? Check first to make sure that {{tl|NameSort}} isn't being overriden. If not, then I'd be interested in seeing a few examples. I can then determine if there's a way to program some new way around the particular problem. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}01:47: Sun 25 Mar 2012 </span>
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| Hey, could you please do me a favor and read the fine print on {{tl|update}} and {{tl|cleanup}}? You're not really using them as intended. They're meant to be for '''major''' problems on the page. For instance, you've put {{tl|update}} on ''[[Planet of Giants]]'' just because of a problem with the home video release. That does not rise to the level of problem that the template anticipates, e.g. "omissions so great that '''the article's''' factual accuracy has been compromised." The article as a whole is hardly compromised by inaccuracies as to the Region 2 release! What you're really looking for are {{tl|section stub}} and {{tl|section cleanup}}, not the full-on "this article sucks" top-of-page banners. ''Planet of Giants'' is actually comparatively complete as far as our televised story articles go. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}03:13: Mon 26 Mar 2012 </span>
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| Yeah, for sure, infobox pics are always best if widescreen, acceptable if 4:3-ish, allowable at other dimensions if covers. Species, as an in-universe thing, would need to be 4:3 at a minimum, 16:9 preferably, for the infobox. I think now that you've mentioned it, I maybe do need to revisit the guide and make it clearer that it doesn't apply just to people. I think maybe, too, that I should make it somehow clearer that there are times where it's appropriate to have a longer-than-wide shot, as long as the page has enough text to accept it. I can quite see, for instance, why you might want to have a full body shot of a Cyberman or whatever. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}14:14: Tue 10 Apr 2012 </span>
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| To answer your question, we don not cover deleted scenes. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 02:54, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
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| No specific "procedure" ''per se''. Just alert an admin. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:12: Sun 15 Apr 2012 </span>
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| Huh? Are you just reporting again what you've already reported ([[User:MrThermomanPreacher]]), or is this a new report? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:42: Sun 15 Apr 2012 </span>
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| Could I ask that you please consider archiving this page. It has grown so large that its length is affecting page load time. You don't ''have'' to, of course, but it would be helpful. Just pull down the edit button on this page to "archive" and it'll take all of about 15 seconds. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:12: Mon 16 Apr 2012 </span>
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| [[Tardis:Format for television stories#Ratings]] is essentially unchanged since it was originally written back in 2006 — before SJA, TW or K9 even existed, and before the iPlayer made such a massive difference in the way that ratings were calculated.
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| Its reliance upon Shannon Sullivan's site is obviously outdated. I think better sources would be the DWMSEs actually. [[DWMSE 14]], for instance has well and truly final, final numbers, along with numbers for later broadcasts on BBC Three.
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| Although almost none of our TV Story pages actually have a citation, to me it's vital that they all do have citations.
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| As to format, I'm not quite sure what you're asking. Gimme the options you're looking at. Maybe I can make up a handy little template that will ensure the ratings are delivered the same way on each page. This area of the wiki hasn't been particularly well looked-after, so let's work together to come up with something that we can use in every situation. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:12: Mon 16 Apr 2012 </span>
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| :Um, I never said anything remotely like that. There are all sorts of metrics for ratings. Since you're studying this problem right now, how 'bout coming up with various pemutations, and we can build a template that houses all of them. British overnights ''are'' increasingly important, and they ''should'' be noted. But overnights weren't even calculated for the classic series, and in 2006, when [[tardis:Format for television stories]] was written, they were relatively insignificant. It's only really been roughly since the Matt Smith era began that the distinction between overnights and final have been profound enough to matter.
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| :What I'm saying is that '''we need to reconsider how we do ratings'''. The guidelines set forth in the format page are clearly inadequate. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}18:19: Mon 16 Apr 2012 </span>
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| Try again. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}21:08: Fri 20 Apr 2012 </span>
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| The rewriting of [[T:CAN]] was in fact started some time ago, but it's been delayed by, frankly, the need to restyle and rewrite everything else. Now that monobook and wikia skins have finally been completed with the introduction of uniform infoboxes, I can return to the rewrite. As you can see on [[user talk:Tangerineduel]], it's on the list of priorities that I'll be completing over the next few weeks. The original attempt can be seen at [[user:CzechOut/Sandbox8]], but the re-re-re-write will be talking place at [[User:CzechOut/This wiki's scope]]. You are of course at liberty to comment about anything you see as the project moves to its conclusion over the next week or so. Indeed, I actively welcome your notes. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}21:32: Sat 28 Apr 2012 </span>
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| == Timeline pages ==
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| You should really direct questions about ''content'' to [[user:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] and/or [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]]. On this particular project, I'm strictly the technical administrator. My relationship to [[forum:Timey-wimey detector]] ended a few minutes ago once I got it set up and deleted all the references to the old pages. I've had very little input into the writing of the example page, [[Forum:Timeline - Eighth Doctor]], so you'd be better off talking to one of those two guys. I did have a lot to do with the actual discussion that pushed these things into the forum namespace, but I was actually pushing for their complete deletion, and am sorta accepting this namespace thing as a compromise.
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| The "time essay" part of the forum is something that was requested, but which I must admit I've not investigated to any great detail. Again, I'm really just the guy layin' the track; you want one of the conductors on the train. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}21:40: Thu 03 May 2012 </span>
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| ==Timeline / Timey wimey forum==
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| The "time essays" would be things like the old Dalek history page before I cut it down ([http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dalek_history?oldid=882666 this edit shows it as it was]). It was mentioned in the [[Forum:Timeline pages]]
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| Broadly speaking I think the Timeline - Eighth Doctor is a good outline and guide for the other pages. An intro, define the "Limiting factors" for each Timeline and layout the "Series basics" and then go for the timeline.
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| I think more information is always better than less, so go for overkill, because we can't rely on logic for something like this. The reasoning for the placement of each story will need to be there.
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| Although, as it says at the start we have to assume stories take place in broadcast/published order unless there's a ''really'' good reason why not (like Ace's pin from Greatest Show turning up in whichever story it was before the broadcast of Greatest Show), then there may be a case. More information is better than less, we can edit down info but it's a lot harder puzzling out why something's been placed where it is.
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| All stories must also be on the Timeline page, even if they just sit in the Undated section. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:59, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
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| :On things like the First Doctor I think just a covering statement that says from "From X story to Y story they each flow into the other and there are essentially no gaps between stories" or something to that effect.
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| :It's a yes to every companion timeline page that was around before. But, do we need a timeline page for ''every'' companion? There used to be companion pages for Sarah Jane Smith and River Song. Do you think it'd be beneficial to have a page for every companion so that we can cover stuff like Companion Chronicles and short stories? Or is that too much of an overkill because only a handful of companions leave the Doctor and continue to have documented adventures. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:14, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
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| ::Yes, that's a yes to River Song's timeline, I'm sure that page will need notes to explain the how and whens of her timeline.
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| ::All of Sarah's stories should be on the page, because there's several short stories lurking out there that would sit between them.
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| ::Oh, sorry, I missed the point entirely about companions then! No, I don't think that should be noted unless it's relevant to the placement of the stories; like the gap in the early Eighth Doctor stories and the later 'Searching for Sam arc' are both related to when Sam Jones jumped ship.
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| ::So for instance it can be noted that post-''Deadly Assassin'' the Doctor is travelling alone or that Rose departs in ''Doomsday'' leaving a gap where the Doctor is travelling alone. The information provided should be related to the subject of the article not just providing secondary info.
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| ::I think for now I'll say that all companions '''''can''''' have a timeline page. Based on some of the Companion Chronicles inserting several stories between others, and the short stories which while hard to place builds upon everything.
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| ::I'll also say that any character who has appeared across more than 2 mediums in more than 2 stories would need a timeline page this is for people like; the Brigadier, Bernice Summerfield, Davros, Irving Braxiatel all of whom have long and complicated timelines which would benefit from pages. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 15:41, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
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| :::It was a typo, it should have said ''The Smugglers''.
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| :::I've reworded the paragraph concerning the statements on the novels to indicate that they should be placed between their indicated stories.
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| :::I'm not totally familiar with all of the First Doctor's chronology either, but I thought I'd get started on a Timeline page for it anyways. Get the basic layout down and place the stories I'm fairly certain of, and then others can come through and work in it more. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:58, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::That's effectively what all the pages do say at the moment under 'limiting factors'.
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| ::::Or do you mean to add an extra note within the Timeline itself? --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 15:03, June 29, 2012 (UTC)
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| I think the reason you may be having problems with the annual thingy is that you're British. An annual, in the American sense, is, or at least was historically, just a subscriber bonus. Yanno how DWM changed from a monthly to a 13-a-year schedule? Well, same concept, except we "pretty up" the 13th issue and make it seem like a "deal" to subscribers.
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| Navigation is easy. All ya do is just make the series flow from whatever story preceded the annual (from memory, I think it's [[Don't Step on the Grass]]) to the first story of the annual, then through each story of the annual, then to the next regular issue. In other words, just forget it's called an annual, and treat it like a normal issue of the run that just happens to have an anthological format. In terms of the primary navigation, then, you ignore the thread and just make the navigation flow through the annual in table of contents order. I'm not sure there's whole lot of point to making a secondary navigation that ignores the stories in the annual that aren't directly linked to the narrative of the regular run. It would be like having a television navigation that ignored ''Night Terrors'' cause it's not all that related to the River Song stuff in series 6.
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| | The admin nomination for [[User:SmallerOnTheOutside]] is drawing swiftly to a close. Did you have any thoughts on it? [[Tardis:User rights nominations|Please go here if you do.]] {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 00:02: Wed 01 Jan 2014</span> |
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| Personally, I think it would be much more helpful to call the series "IDW mini-series and one-shots". So the series could start with [[The Forgotten]] and continue on to [[A Fairytale Life]] and beyond. It wouldn't, I don't think, include ''[[Agent Provocateur]]'', cause that's actually, according to [[indicia]], [[Doctor Who (2008)]]. It wasn't intended or even initially marketed as a mini-series; rather, it was an ongoing series they abruptly cancelled after the first storyline. This whole "Agent Provocateur" thing is a cover up. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}05:15: Sat 05 May 2012 </span>
| | == Capitol == |
| | Why you add my edit in capitol it was correct watch the end of time you see--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:31, February 17, 2014 (UTC) |
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| | So sorry but you edit on Theory:Timeline Last Great Time War unreasonable--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:36, March 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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| | == How to delete pictures == |
| :As I said, I hadn't gone back to the thread. I'm glad you sort of forced me to take a second look. It reminded me that I did need to categorise it, add archivist's notes, and take action upon Rob's at-the-time rhetorical ending question. You'll now find that [[TV]] and [[T:LOP]] have been changed to reflect the consensus of the thread. (I'd wholly disagree with you, btw, that the thread is any way significantly ambiguous or unsure of itself. There was clear unanimity that [[TV]] was the appropriate prefix, and there was never, as you said, a suggestion that we were looking for some ''better'' term to come around. The only question was Rob's final, rhetorical one in which he wondered whether the text at T:LOP needed to be changed for what was at the time the singular exception of ''Meanwhile in the TARDIS''.)
| | Can you show me how ı delete a picture ?--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:19, March 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| :That thread is one of around 70 or so that I archived quickly, and without assigning a category or writing any "archivist's notes". I apologise for sending you to a thread that hadn't been fully "prettied up" for the archives.
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| | Cult of the Black Sun (created by faction paradox) and the Order of the Black Sun are the same ? If they are war between order and the time lord is part of THE WAR.--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:55, March 6, 2014 (UTC) |
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| :As for the ''exact'' place where we've already done this dance about the "extra features narrative", you're looking for [[Forum:Story pages being moved]]. Looks like I directed you to the very same forum precedent, and that your questions are pretty much exactly as they've been this time around. I suppose that all this is motivated by the fact that only 2 of the 5 mini-eps was changed to (TV story) and you wanna know why. I don't have a good answer for you, just because it's not important enough for me to dig around. I can only speculate that not all of them were in the same categories at the time I made the switchover. This would have prevented the bot from running. It's definitely not that they were changed and then changed back, however. The bot just never made the name switch. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:09: Sun 06 May 2012 </span>
| | Cult of the Black Sun (created by faction paradox) and the Order of the Black Sun are the same ? If they are war between order and the time lord is part of THE WAR.--[[User:Doctor other|Doctor other]] [[User talk:Doctor other|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:31, March 6, 2014 (UTC) |
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| | I just wanted to say thanks for tagging all those images for deletion. I think I got all of them. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:23, March 6, 2014 (UTC) |
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| == New magic == | | == Silents Vs. the Silent == |
| Since you helped out so much with {{tl|Wales crew}}, you should be the first to know that I'm now beginning the process of turning it into an actual database of information that we can leverage.
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| | The correct plural form of Silent is The Silent. There is no 'S'. If you are referring to the religious order, "The Silence" is proper. - [[User talk:Masterpwn|Masterpwn]] (Previously unsigned) |
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| | I just wanted to thank you for the edits you made removing the "characters of season four" category. I knew there was something wrong with it, but couldn't place why, so I asked the user to hold off creating any more. I've now asked him/her not to continue the project (using your edit summary as the reason), and I deleted the one category that's been created so far. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:37, June 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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| | ''"The Marilyn Monroe stuff is edging too much into T:NO RW. I don't think the story says anything other than "woman standing with Eleven, Sinatra and Santa Claus in that photograph","'' was what you said when you removed that section I put on the [[Model]] page. |
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| | In the episode ''A Christmas Carol'', we see the Doctor leave the party with Marilyn. At the end of the episode, Rory answers a phone call from her, and the Doctor tells her to tell her the chapel wasn't ligament. Here's straight out of the episode article ''(Which I had a link to in the bit I posted)'': "A few minutes later, the Doctor finds the couple kissing passionately, but impatiently requests to leave, as he has accidentally become engaged to Marilyn Monroe; he leaves with her nevertheless." At the end of the episode, "Rory pops out of the TARDIS, saying he answered the phone; Marilyn has called the Doctor. The Doctor tells Rory to inform Marilyn that he will call her back, "and that was never a real chapel"." |
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| | And, may I ask what this picture you speak of is? I don't remember it. |
| You are correct, sir. :) Things derived from the faux "articles" within BIT are NOT valid sources, because they're not stories. They're akin to information you'd find on the back of the playing cards, which is certainly not valid. Rule #1 of [[T:VALID]] is that it has to be a story. It's not enough to be an "illustrated opinion of an author" or a little sidebar column somewhere.
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| | And please, don't get me wrong. I am upset (who wouldn't be if some of their hard work was taken down with a reason they didn't understand.), but I still have an open mind. From what I know, and the information I've received, I can only conclude that you were not aware to what I was referring. So here I am, trying to explain. |
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| | You are more experienced at wiki-ing than me, so I am asking for your help in understanding. But I like to think I am a hardcore Whovian when it comes to the reboot series. I think I know what I'm talking about with this episode. |
| Do you think you'd be interested in going over all the standard preloads to make sure they're compliant with the new infobox standards? I've gotten to about a quarter of them, but I'm obviously juggling' a lot of tasks at the moment. I'd really like to get them absolutely set in stone by the time the new series starts, and you've previously expressed an interest in seeing them made right. Let me know, and I'll unlock them all. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}02:44: Tue 10 Jul 2012 </span>
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| | Will you do me a favor and read [[Marilyn Monroe]] and [[A Christmas Carol (TV story)]]? Then, will you please reconsider removing that section? |
| Thanks for editing the pages I've newly created. Sometimes I can be a little quick when writing them, my grammar can get quite erratic at times. {{Unsigned|Cyruptsaram}}
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| | Thank you for your time, and again, I'm sorry for sounding so blunt. |
| Does seem to be a direct-to-CD affair. So why not just change it on the front page? If you were thinking it's locked, it's not. Ya don't need me to make the correction. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}21:29: Sun 15 Jul 2012 </span>
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| == Pets and dab policy ==
| | --[[User:Rebazim|Rebazim]] [[User talk:Rebazim|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC) |
| There. I changed one word at [[Tardis:Disambiguation policy#Finer detail]]. Does that cover your concern adequately? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}21:31: Sun 15 Jul 2012 </span>
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| | Alright. I guess I can accept that....--[[User:Rebazim|Rebazim]] [[User talk:Rebazim|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC) |
| I tell ya what, Tybort: I've ''never'' liked [[Victoria]], and I think I may have been too hasty with [[Neptune (Guests of King Neptune)]]. I think it makes sense, instead, to consider the name a proper title, rather than an honorific. Thus, I think the better solution are the main titles given in ''Tooth and Claw'': | |
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| :::On second thought, she's the very definition of a "primary use". Basically everything else named "Victoria" is named after her, so I'm moving "Victoria to [[Victoria (disambiguation)]] and Victoria (Queen) to just [[Victoria]]. This follows the ''general'' nomenclature of most of our other monarchs who, if possible, go by their single, titular names. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:51: Thu 19 Jul 2012 </span>
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| ::::No, Victoria, Empress of India is "the original, you might say". Victoria Waterfield was definitely named after her, to hammer home the point that she was from the Victorian Era. And then there's several place names, too, all derived from the "original" Victoria. It's not really about number of appearances, but overall "reach". {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}18:02: Thu 19 Jul 2012 </span>
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| | Crap! Sorting it now. Thanks for letting me know. :) --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 12:54, December 10, 2014 (UTC) |
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| Please pose your question to the forum. I'm not touching that one. (You might want to look back on previous discussions about the same.) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}22:27: Sat 21 Jul 2012 </span>
| | Hey there. Regarding your edits to the quote in the lead for [[Dalek]], do you know if it is the policy at this project to alter direct character quotations into the past tense? I have looked through 6~7 MoS/policy articles and could not find a direct answer, so I'm uncertain. Either way, this line: ''"[i]nside that shell, there [was] a creature born to hate, whose only thought [was] to destroy everything and everyone that [wasn't] a Dalek, too."'' is very brutal to read. If it isn't policy, are you okay with me changing it back to a direct quote? And if it is policy to force verbatim character lines to be in the past tense, are you okay with having this paraphrased? [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] [[User talk:Blue Rook|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:31, December 18, 2014 (UTC) |
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| | Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I changed the Andy-Frankham Allen page you created to a redirect, as he had previously written stories under the name of [[Andy Frankham]]. The only reason I know this is because he wrote some Short Trips stories, which is an area of the wiki I focus on. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:13, February 11, 2015 (UTC) |
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| Walk me through the reasoning behind removing the continuity sections entirely from the ''Unbound'', isn't it still useful to keep the continuity? As these releases are still referencing various bits of DW continuity. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:10, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
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| | Hey Tybort. I just want to call your attention to [[Talk:The Sleeping Blood (audio story)]]. Thanks. '''[[User:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#002B7F">P&P</span>]] [[User_talk:PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#FCD116;font-size:0.6em">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/PicassoAndPringles|<span style="color:#CE1126;font-size:0.6em">contribs</span>]]''' 16:48, June 4, 2015 (UTC) |
| Wrong. Unmade stories never displace a produced story. All that needs to happen is the addition of {{tlx|you may}} top hat to [[Revenants]] and [[Deadline]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}15:19: Tue 31 Jul 2012 </span>
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| | We found out the colour of Daleks, the Doctor's eyes and the ring from seeing behind-the-scenes photographs that were taken in colour. Plus, with a keen eye and enough experience, one can see through the black-and-white format to deduce the colour of things.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:13, August 17, 2015 (UTC) |
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| | Thank you, thank you, thank you for making the edit at [[Apology cue cards]]. I '''knew''' there was a policy against galleries, but I could not for the life of me remember where it was. (I forgot to check the Help namespace.) [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:54, October 4, 2015 (UTC) |
| I think the colourised reprints were by Marvel, but I'm not sure as I only downloaded the comics this morning. {{User:Clone gunner commander jedi/signature}} | |
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| ==Renaming pages== | | == Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum == |
| Hi there. If you are unsure as to whether you should be renaming a page or not, please leave a message on the talk page first, instead of going ahead and renaming it anyway. I've renamed "Clockwork (species)" back to "Clockworks" as this is the correct term for the species used in the narrative, and not the singluar "Clockwork". One example is that Iris is referred to as "a member of the Clockworks" instead of simply "a Clockwork". Thanks. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 17:45, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
| | One of the series 2 websites was the "Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum". It was heavily implied to be a Torchwood Base. The game "Security Bot" takes place inside the base. The website is now gone, but the game can still be played on the official Dr. Who website. {{Unsigned|TheChampionOfTime}} |
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| Line drawings, I believe are things like logos and other things like that which sit on a transparent background which a PNG can do, it's also said in the same sentence as SVG which suggests it's something on a transparent background as that's only (I think) how SVGs are.
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| :Response of relevance to you at [[user talk:Tangerineduel#PNG]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}15:07: Wed 15 Aug 2012 </span>
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| | P&P got to it before me. But thanks for pointing it out!{{User:SOTO/sig}} 01:37, December 25, 2015 (UTC) |
| Are we allowed to write the plot for Asylum of the Daleks, or is it too early for the people who haven't watched it yet? Are we waiting for the re-screening tomorrow?
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| | It did say that the staff seen were Zygons, I can't remember how but it did pal. [[User:DENCH-and-PALMER|DENCH-and-PALMER]] [[User talk:DENCH-and-PALMER|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:52, January 11, 2016 (UTC) |
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| | "The contradiction is all of School Reunion." Because in Dreamland and School Reunion Sarah's apparently not seen the Doctor since The Hand of Fear? Putting "according to one account" on every encounter of theirs back to The Five Doctors doesn't make sense. "According to one account" only works where it's obvious what the contradiction is. So Dreamland and School Reunion could have "according to one account, Sarah and the Doctor hadn't met since she stopped traveling with him.", and it'll make sense that the contradiction is with all of the earlier listed encounters. [[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:38, January 15, 2016 (UTC) |
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| | Hello Tybort, please go and check out the Doctor Who Reviews Wiki. Where you can review Doctor Who Stories! Go to: http://doctor-who-reviews.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Reviews_Wikia |
| Ahhhh, yes. The older, media-speicifc variants of {{tlx|title}} have, by their very nature, a flaw. Since they only work on one medium, they don't need a "fall through" value, which means they auto-add (<media> story), even if one isn't really there. I really should get around to redirecting all those media based versions to {{tlx|title dab away}}, which works on just about all story pages — and has a default value of just italicising the title — without adding a "ghost" dab term. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 00:05: Wed 12 Sep 2012</span>
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| The Dr Who Annual 1970 cover page you've uploaded is less "faded" because the contrast is whacked right up, losing all the detail of the Doctor's coat which now looks like a black blob instead of having folds and visible outlines etc. Can you please increase the brightness ord ecrease the contrast to restore the lost detail? Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/2.24.94.78|2.24.94.78]]<sup>[[User talk:2.24.94.78#top|talk to me]]</sup> 13:54, September 13, 2012 (UTC)Frankymole
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| | Doesn't DWM 501 come out tomorrow? It sure isn't available for download yet. I get the excitement of a new companion and I also get that within 24 hours anyone will be able to read the new adventures of the Twelfth Doctor and {name removed due to spoilers}, but doesn't this violate [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]]? I mean, at this point it would be rather silly to undo all of your edits, but please don't make a page for the comic that hasn't been officially released yet! [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">C o T</span>]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span> ]] 15:22, June 29, 2016 (UTC) |
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| | :Hey, I don't think you need to worry about the spoiler policy, though I've been wrong before and [[User:CzechOut]] will certainly correct me. I have to apologize for any concern you had because I'm the one who deleted the original creation of the article, and as one of my reasons I listed that it was a spoiler. Actually, my main concern was that the editor had failed to use the proper template (or any template, actually), so it was easier to delete than clean up. |
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| | :If, however, there is a spoiler on the cover, if you could help me by keeping an eye open for any uploading of the cover image, I would appreciate it. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:13, June 30, 2016 (UTC) |
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| == Prefixes == | | ==Season 6's recurring monster== |
| Well, that little 3-minute block would have made more sense if I could have actually found a way to post to you in under 3 minutes. Hopefully you got the message I sent to you at [[w:c:aybs:User talk:Tybort]]. Anyway, {{tlx|px}} is now being deleted from the wiki. Hopefully, you didn't put much time into it before I noticed that you were changing it all. Obviously, that system doesn't work, now that we're no longer prefixing by publication title. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 22:34: Thu 20 Sep 2012</span>
| | I saw you'd commented that Season 6 did not have a recurring monster from the classic series and so I'd just like to remind you about the Cybermats. --[[User:TazminDaytime|TazminDaytime]] [[User talk:TazminDaytime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:33, July 30, 2016 (UTC)TazminDaytime |
| :Ohhhhhhhh. I can see by the way the bot is running that you actually had put a lot of time into it. Sorry that I didn't catch it earlier, so that I could have saved you time. Clearly, though, the new system is simple enough that it doesn't actually need "prefix helpers" like this, and it gets confusing to have multiple instances (like COMIC and PROSE) on the same page. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 22:40: Thu 20 Sep 2012</span> | |
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| | Hi! I don't have time right now, but I'll get to it this evening. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:50, November 1, 2016 (UTC) |
| :You've been redecorating... Hmm... I don't like it. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 03:56, October 17, 2012 (UTC) | | :Done. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:51, November 2, 2016 (UTC) |
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| == Vandal == | | == Change your favourite wikis list == |
| Thanks for the heads up on the vandal. But please stop trying to correct the problem. You're actually making it a bit more confusing. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 18:11: Wed 03 Oct 2012</span>
| | Hi Tybort, just notifying you that [http://timeship.wikia.com/wiki/Paul_Magrs_Wikia Paul Magrs Wikia] is in your list of favourite wikis. A look at its home page will tell you exactly why you should do this as fast as possible. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 01:39, November 16, 2016 (UTC) |
| :I appreciate that you were trying to do the right thing. Just remember, though, that if you add to a page, and I delete it before the cache has a chance to catch up, then your addition to a page "wins". The system will almost always award a "tie" to the edit which ''adds'' to the wiki. Thus adding your {{tlx|delete}} message ironically prevented me from deleting. Remember, too, that it's not really necessary to label which page has the edit history. That's obvious in the edit history, which every admin should be checking in cases like this. | | :Hi. This is the person who made the Paul Magrs wiki. I'm just stopping by (some of) the talk pages TheChampionOfTime has been making these comments on to clarify the concerns s/he has had: You may have noticed that the front page of that wiki refers to the editors of this wiki here as "fascist bastards." That's meant to be tongue in cheek, and not a serious criticism. You may also have noticed that a lot of story pages are shamelessly duplicated from pages on this wiki. That's not plagiarism; I used the Wikia import/export feature to preserve the edit history so that all the authors are properly cited, and the license (CC-BY-SA) is followed. [[User:Fwhiffahder|Fwhiffahder]] [[User talk:Fwhiffahder|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:35, November 16, 2016 (UTC) |
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| :As for what does or does not show up in [[Special:WikiActivity]], well, I haven't been keeping close tabs on that. The ''real'' list of changes is at [[Special:RecentChanges]]. Anyone seriously interested in tracking changes on the wiki should be using that — not the "kiddie toy" of WikiActivity. This is before your time editing with us, but there was a great uproar over the introduction of WikiActivity because it's ''such'' a dumbed-down version of the activity report. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 18:47: Wed 03 Oct 2012</span>
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| | Why was the footage of Cofelia indistinct? Later in the shot she scans a card saying Miss Foster and then Jack Harkness tell us that she is actually Cofelia and so on. I realize it's not the best shot but that's the best you can get from the file. [[User:HolmestoHomes|HolmestoHomes]] [[User talk:HolmestoHomes|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:52, January 15, 2017 (UTC) |
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| | Hey! If you have free time, I'd love to hear your thoughts at [[Thread:212365]]. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|Talk]]) 19:44, May 4, 2017 (UTC) |
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| Just a quick reminder that the update tag should not been added to a page just a couple of hours after an episodes airs, which you did to [[Vastra]] and [[Jenny Flint]]. It is understandable that after a few hours, even a few days a page might not be updated with the latest episodes, but the update tag is still not needed. If after a few weeks or months information from episodes are missing, then you should add the tag, but not less than three hours after an episode airs. Thanks. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 15:17, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
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| | Hello. I noticed your edits asking when Jamie's father's name was given as [[Donald McCrimmon]]. In the third episode of ''[[The Highlanders (TV story)|The Highlanders]]'', [[Colin McLaren]] says to [[Willie Mackay]], "And Jamie, son of Donald McCrimmon. A piper, like his father and his father's father." --[[User:GusF|GusF]] [[User talk:GusF|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:04, October 23, 2017 (UTC) |
| Sorry that I've not been responding individually to the things that you put up on my talk page. Due to my limited time over the last month, I've been trying to just respond with action rather than words. Here's a roundup though:
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| *[[Tardis:Valid sources/Detailed list]] has been redone in light of the bot-munching that happened there.
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| *[Tardis:Tardis Manual]] text will eventually all go away, so there's no need to worry too much about the fact that there's an instance of TARDIS instead of Tardis.
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| * Beltempest --> [[Beltempest (novel)]]
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| * finally finished up the [[Rob (The Chromosome Connection)]] thing from way back
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| * fixed quirk at [[The Dalek Project (comic story)]]
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| * ST issue should have been fixed, such that audio ST are now identified as AUDIO, while short stories are PROSE
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| *vandal 212.219.231.252 was banned by TD
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| *prefixes [[Robot 1]] and [[Robot 2]] were fixed
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| * the category is now [[:category:Actors who appeared in Game of Thrones]], per your copyedit
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| *The apparent contradiciton between [[T:VS]] and [[T:NPOV]] over blogs has been resolved — but do bear in mind that the impetus for [[T:NPOV]] was really Tangerineduel's, and he hasn't had time yet to give his edit. Language may change again. Still, I think the language as regards blogs and whatnot will probably stick close to what's currently at [[T:OOU SRC]]. Oh, bear in mind that there's a current forum thread about this one too. So expect some shifting as we hammer out the exact language.
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| *I haven't had time to ponder that [[Ember (planet)]] thing. I'm gonna have to sit with that one for a while.
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| Anyway, sorry for the communications blackout, but do rest assured that I've been reading all your suggestions and taking action along the way. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 16:31: Sun 18 Nov 2012</span>
| | Doctor Who Answers has been closed. The new website will go up at http://www.doctorwhoanswers.com/, but right now it's not quite ready because they've not had enough spare time to sink into it. [[User:Doctor 25|Doctor 25]] [[User talk:Doctor 25|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:15, April 11, 2020 (UTC) |
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| == Cotton videos == | | == For(u)m Letter == |
| Hey, do me a favour and test something, will ya? See if you can move [[RelatedVideos:Cotton]] to [[RelatedVideos:Cotton (The Mutants)]]. I've no idea whether that namespace is admin-only, as we're one of the few wikis that has it. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 17:50: Thu 06 Dec 2012</span>
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| | Hey there, I hope your Halloween was decent. As you might know, we've not had forums for over two years at this point. A few of the regular editors have been having a discussion on this topic at [[Forum talk:Index]] and we'd like the input of other prominent editors if you have the inclination. Cheers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
| Actually, there are enough prominent people called Cotton that I have a bit of a hard time justifying giving the plant the primary term here. I think it's probably wise to make Cotton be the dab page. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 05:35: Mon 10 Dec 2012</span>
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| == Regarding T:NO TITLE == | | == Orson Pink == |
| | Re: your edit summary at [[Orson Pink]] — I agree that the family tree didn't belong, but I find your words in the summary a bit harsh. Sure, [[Steven Moffat]] said in ''behind the scenes quotes'' that fans could interpret Orson as an indirect descendant of Danny so that there was no paradox, but quotes aren't valid sources, and {{w|death of the author}} is an established way of looking at fiction. Looking at what's on TV alone, it seems entirely possible — for example — that Orson was Danny's descendant in one possible timeline, and that time shifting again so that Danny now dies in ''[[Dark Water (TV story)|Dark Water]]'' results in Orson being erased from history. How Orson could exist despite his alleged relation to Danny and Clara ''has not been established'' in valid sources. Indeed, the first of the quotes mentioned in that BTS section has Moffat speaking of the "more distant relative" idea as merely ''one possible explanation'', not necessarily the be-all-end-all. All of which to say that I don't think you can point to ''Dark Water'' itself as hard evidence that Orson isn't Danny and Clara's descendant; and that calling the tree a "lie" is coming on much too strong. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 21:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC) |
| | :To briefly comment on the above, I'll note that the tree uses a dotted line which ''passes through'' the connection between Danny and Clara without actually ''emerging from it'', leaving it ambiguous as to whether Orson is Danny and Clara's descendant or merely a different relative of Danny, while still embodying both opportunities. Additionally, the line connecting two people is often used to indicate pairings other than literal marriage. For these reasons I don't think the chart itself is inaccurate in the least. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 21:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC) |
| | It's not "fan theory" or "literary interpretation". In ''[[Listen (TV story)|Listen]]'', Orson is ''explicitly'' a descendant of Danny and Clara. Following the events of ''[[Dark Water (TV story)|Dark Water]]'', he is ''explicitly'' not a descendant of Danny, while still being in his family tree. Per [[Tardis:Neutral point of view]], we cannot weight one of these sources over the other; we must present them equally. You have yet to explain how the family tree fails to achieve this. As a courtesy, I'll ask you before I go to an admin: why did you revert my edit on [[Orson Pink]] before the discussion had come to a conclusion? Are we not still discussing this matter? – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC) |
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| [[T:NO TITLE]] poses little problem for [[Sarah Jane's Alien Files]], since the TV version was known by that name in full, whereas the webseries was actually just '''The Alien Files'''. If and when any one creates those individual episode pages for the webseries, it'll be under the nomenclature '''TAF x'''. I'm not sure that'll ever happen now, though, given that those video files are, to my knowledge, no longer available. Certainly, our links to them are inaccurate. | | == MySpace blog == |
| | Thanks for the point you raised in your edit summary of [[Special:Diff/3397585]] – you're absolutely right, and I have no idea how I missed that. I've gone through [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Martha Jones' MySpace blog (short story)]] and rewritten several pages to refer to "X days before Martha met the Tenth Doctor" rather than "On XX March 2007". – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 16:12, 31 January 2023 (UTC) |
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| | I too raised an eyebrow at [[Tardis talk:Out-of-universe perspective]], but as it turns out, [[Ncuti Gatwa]] has already appeared as the [[Fifteenth Doctor]] in a valid IU source (''[[Whotopia: The Ultimate Guide to the Whoniverse (reference book)|Whotopia]]''). – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
| | :: That, and moreover, that page is out of date. I forgot it existed, honestly. (Why does it exist?) Please refer to [[T:OFFICIAL INFO]] and [[T:SPOIL FORUM]] instead for the up-to-date policy on this issue. As regards talk pages, spoilers are only allowed in discussion areas if they are themselves tagged with {{tlx|spoiler}}, and, in the case of a Panopticon thread, if the word "spoiler" is included in the title of the thread. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 17:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
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| Thanks for catching the [[Special:WantedPages]] Forum --> Theory error. That's been corrected, but it'll take a while for it to actually fall out of the WantedPages list due to caching. If you notice it's still there in a week, please lemme know. It should, however, only take a day or so. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 23:57: Thu 27 Dec 2012</span>
| | :Interesting point! I suppose it depends on the definition of "current Doctor". Fifteen certainly meets the standard of "highest confirmed consecutive number". – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
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| | :: As I said, the [[Tardis:Spoiler policy#Spoilers and the forums]] section is intended to apply to talk page discussions as well, including Tardis_talk: ones, provided the necessary steps are taken. I may rewrite the section later to make this clearer, but you need only look to [[Talk:Doctor Who Wiki]] for precedent. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 17:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
| The [[dab term]] page will be rewritten as to this point. The dab term (comic story) should be used for all comic stories, regardless of length, '''period'''. So it should actually include ''original'' graphic novels. The dab term (graphic novel) should only be used as a synonym for trade paperback. So [[Endgame (graphic novel)]], but [[The Only Good Dalek (comic story)]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 20:14: Mon 21 Jan 2013</span>
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| :[[dab term]] has been re-written, but on the specific point of ''Through Time and Space'', you're right, it should be (graphic novel). [[Through Time and Space (graphic novel)|And so it is, now.]] {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 20:54: Mon 21 Jan 2013</span>
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| | :::Sorry, by "consecutive number" I didn't mean consecutive number of stories. I meant that he's #15, latest in the numbered series that began with Hartnell (#1). As opposed to the [[Forty-Fifth Doctor]], who isn't consecutive since we haven't seen 16–44, or the [[Fugitive Doctor]], who wasn't numbered at all. |
| Let it shake out for a day or so. We need to get a list at [[Special:Uncategorizedpages]] first. Then we'll have to make an individual assessment of each page. This isn't going to be a one-size-fits-all solution.
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| | :::That was just my best stab at a definition, but upon further reflection I don't know it holds up, since it excludes 14. It strikes me that ''both'' might be the "current Doctor". (As an aside, you remark that 14 will be the current Doctor "until he steps down as the Doctor on TV" – but what would that definition mean for the [[Eighth Doctor]] from 2005-2013?) |
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| | :::In the end I think "current Doctor" is just a fuzzy category with no clear definition and we'd do best to avoid it. – [[User:NateBumber|NateBumber]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC) |
| Yeah, man, you've really hit on one of the ''massive'' cleanup projects. And you're not crazy. Everything you provided was '''bad English'''. But you may not have been able to articulate ''why'', because numbers don't look a normal part of speech. And this, I'm guessing, is why so many of our editors seem to have a problem with this one. (Well, that and the fact that it's not normal to speak of a place, person or object ''of a specific time''.)
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| | Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I could create a new SMW property, perhaps [[property:released]], which is set to <tt>false</tt> if {{tlx|spoiler}} is used on the source page and <tt>true</tt> otherwise (potentially with some nuance for unreleased stories). Then, this property being <tt>true</tt> could be set as a condition in the SMW queries used to generate automated lists. For separating out TV stuff, if deemed necessary, a condition could be added tp the relevant queries that checks if [[property:medium]] is set to "<tt>tv story</tt>". [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| When watching the new prequel at 12 o' clock today, I looked at the title, and it read out A Prequel - Steven Moffat. I suppose that's the only title I have. Would you like to change it? [[User:Cyruptsaram|Cyruptsaram]] [[User talk:Cyruptsaram|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:31, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
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| Hey, since you're one of our principle "bad name catchers", I wanted to be sure you saw [[Thread:128198]] for a change in the way we'll be handling easy, non-controversial renames. Instead of just listing the changes on my talk page, we can now use {{tlx|speedy rename}} to populate [[T:SPEEDY]]. This list spreads the knowledge of what needs to be changed to all users and admin, establishing an actual ''system'' for change, which should make routine changes happen more quickly. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 20:39: Wed 17 Apr 2013</span>
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| Well my big gripe is that people just put down the word "biography" or "history" without thinking what it means. I just clicked the "random" button to come up with [[Merrivale Carr]] as an example. What's the point of adding "biography" to the article? On the one hand, it's obviously biographical information. ''Of course'' it is. What else would a page about an individual contain, since we're obliged to write in the past tense? So you don't need to ''state'' it. Worse, ''stating'' it makes it seem like it is ''the'' definitive biography. And it's not really a ''biography''. Such pages almost always describe just a few days in the life of the person.
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| You're the ''Torchwood'' guy around here. Got any thoughts on the issue at [[Talk:Calamity Jane]]? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 05:37: Mon 20 May 2013</span>
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| The page you wanted temporarily reopened is now reopened. It'll be gone in 12 hours or so. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 01:51: Mon 15 Jul 2013</span>
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| Hey, I notice you used {{tlx|wikipediainfo}} when you created [[Richelle Mead]]. As the template instructions indicate, we don't really want to use {{tlx|wikipediainfo}} on real world pages. Think of it as a way to give our readers real world information without violating [[T:NO RW]] — not as a substitute for writing a real world article. Thanks! {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 01:05: Sat 07 Sep 2013</span>
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| :Thanks! I went ahead and fixed it, and if you or someone else later find that it's wrong, it can be fixed. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:14, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
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| Didn't you sometime, somewhere, within the last month say something about preloads needed to be fixed? I was looking around for that comment today but couldn't find it. If I've got the wrong man, please forgive me. But if I've got the right one, please jog my memory. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 19:36: Fri 11 Oct 2013</span>
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| Hey, can I prevail upon you for a little bit of immediate help. Any chance that you could do the crew lists for the last four eps of 7b today? I know, I know: it's my own fault for not fixing {{tlx|wales crew}} sooner, but if you could help with that, I'd be mighty appreciative. If you can't, though, lemme know. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 15:18: Sat 12 Oct 2013</span>
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| When you have a moment, could you please stop by chat? Thanks :) (It's nothing bad, don't worry.) {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 19:41: Tue 15 Oct 2013</span> 19:41, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
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| I guess I don't understand why the lead-in to the Tenth Doctor article, the identity of his incarnation, depends on the attestation of a minor character from a comic that a lot of people on here probably haven't read. Clara specified that her Doctor was the Eleventh Doctor, but if I added that, I'm willing to bet it would be deleted within a day. [[User:TARDIStraveler|TARDIStraveler]] [[User talk:TARDIStraveler|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:25, October 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Seems to be caused by PRESS STATEMENT, which likely doesn't need to be in all caps. Filter is functioning correctly.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 16:06: Wed 24 Jul 2013
Hey, I notice you used {{wikipediainfo}} when you created Richelle Mead. As the template instructions indicate, we don't really want to use {{wikipediainfo}} on real world pages. Think of it as a way to give our readers real world information without violating T:NO RW — not as a substitute for writing a real world article. Thanks!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 01:05: Sat 07 Sep 2013
Re your question at thread:142060:
It's my opinion that when it comes to plagiarism, better safe than sorry. If there is a substantial amount of text that seems to have been lifted from another site, it's gotta go. I think what has happened with some of the older stories is that it was copied word for word, but over the years numerous editors have added and subtracted text, but it's still basically plagiarism.
If you're up for rewriting any of the plot summaries, go for it. I don't want to cause you extra work, but I think in the long run it's less work to rewrite than to check sections back and forth and correct here and there. Don't forget to put an "in use" tag if you feel you need it. Thanks a bunch! Shambala108 ☎ 23:34, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if you could do me a favor. I was looking through the plot summary for Day One, and there's a scene where the rest of the Torchwood crew is discussing what they know about Jack. There is a sentence in the middle of this section that says: "Ianto think she's CIA." I haven't seen this episode, so I don't know if Ianto is talking about Jack and it's a typo, or if he's talking about Gwen, who is referred to in the previous sentence. Do you have any idea which is correct? Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 17:26, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks! I went ahead and fixed it, and if you or someone else later find that it's wrong, it can be fixed. Shambala108 ☎ 18:14, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
Didn't you sometime, somewhere, within the last month say something about preloads needed to be fixed? I was looking around for that comment today but couldn't find it. If I've got the wrong man, please forgive me. But if I've got the right one, please jog my memory.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 19:36: Fri 11 Oct 2013
- That must be it! Thanks!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 15:18: Sat 12 Oct 2013
Hey, can I prevail upon you for a little bit of immediate help. Any chance that you could do the crew lists for the last four eps of 7b today? I know, I know: it's my own fault for not fixing {{wales crew}} sooner, but if you could help with that, I'd be mighty appreciative. If you can't, though, lemme know.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 15:18: Sat 12 Oct 2013
Well, I put this in the thread, but it's really hard to read it there. I thought you might like to see it at full width. This chart tells you which episodes you don't need to worry about anymore, as they've already been touched by two editors.
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When you have a moment, could you please stop by chat? Thanks :) (It's nothing bad, don't worry.)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 19:41: Tue 15 Oct 2013 19:41, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
I guess I don't understand why the lead-in to the Tenth Doctor article, the identity of his incarnation, depends on the attestation of a minor character from a comic that a lot of people on here probably haven't read. Clara specified that her Doctor was the Eleventh Doctor, but if I added that, I'm willing to bet it would be deleted within a day. TARDIStraveler ☎ 22:25, October 23, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that your recent many cleanup edits have not gone unnoticed or unappreciated. I noticed that you've been concentrating a lot on stuff that relates to 2005-Doctor Who. That's probably going to help with the Rotten Tomatoes stuff. Thanks for all your hard work! Shambala108 ☎ 01:10, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
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czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 00:02: Wed 01 Jan 2014
Why you add my edit in capitol it was correct watch the end of time you see--Doctor other ☎ 15:31, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
So sorry but you edit on Theory:Timeline Last Great Time War unreasonable--Doctor other ☎ 20:36, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Can you show me how ı delete a picture ?--Doctor other ☎ 13:19, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
Cult of the Black Sun (created by faction paradox) and the Order of the Black Sun are the same ? If they are war between order and the time lord is part of THE WAR.--Doctor other ☎ 00:55, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Cult of the Black Sun (created by faction paradox) and the Order of the Black Sun are the same ? If they are war between order and the time lord is part of THE WAR.--Doctor other ☎ 15:31, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thanks for tagging all those images for deletion. I think I got all of them. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 16:23, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
The correct plural form of Silent is The Silent. There is no 'S'. If you are referring to the religious order, "The Silence" is proper. - Masterpwn (Previously unsigned)
I just wanted to thank you for the edits you made removing the "characters of season four" category. I knew there was something wrong with it, but couldn't place why, so I asked the user to hold off creating any more. I've now asked him/her not to continue the project (using your edit summary as the reason), and I deleted the one category that's been created so far. Shambala108 ☎ 01:37, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
I need your help understanding your reason[[edit source]]
"The Marilyn Monroe stuff is edging too much into T:NO RW. I don't think the story says anything other than "woman standing with Eleven, Sinatra and Santa Claus in that photograph"," was what you said when you removed that section I put on the Model page.
I'm sorry, but did you seriously do that without reading the links I connected it to at all? Because it appears so. Yes. That's a bit bunt and could be considered impolite, but I would appreciate an explanation for removing my work. An explanation that proves you looked at the links I connected to the paragraph for the convenience of readers, like you were.
In the episode A Christmas Carol, we see the Doctor leave the party with Marilyn. At the end of the episode, Rory answers a phone call from her, and the Doctor tells her to tell her the chapel wasn't ligament. Here's straight out of the episode article (Which I had a link to in the bit I posted): "A few minutes later, the Doctor finds the couple kissing passionately, but impatiently requests to leave, as he has accidentally become engaged to Marilyn Monroe; he leaves with her nevertheless." At the end of the episode, "Rory pops out of the TARDIS, saying he answered the phone; Marilyn has called the Doctor. The Doctor tells Rory to inform Marilyn that he will call her back, "and that was never a real chapel"."
And, may I ask what this picture you speak of is? I don't remember it.
And please, don't get me wrong. I am upset (who wouldn't be if some of their hard work was taken down with a reason they didn't understand.), but I still have an open mind. From what I know, and the information I've received, I can only conclude that you were not aware to what I was referring. So here I am, trying to explain.
You are more experienced at wiki-ing than me, so I am asking for your help in understanding. But I like to think I am a hardcore Whovian when it comes to the reboot series. I think I know what I'm talking about with this episode.
Will you do me a favor and read Marilyn Monroe and A Christmas Carol (TV story)? Then, will you please reconsider removing that section?
Thank you for your time, and again, I'm sorry for sounding so blunt.
--Rebazim ☎ 17:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Alright. I guess I can accept that....--Rebazim ☎ 19:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Those page images are taken. Put yours somewhere else or find empty pages. --Buckimion ☎ 02:20, October 31, 2014 (UTC)
... for your work about the Black Sun War pages! Especially for the missing ones. --- HarveyWallbanger ☎ 21:35, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
Crap! Sorting it now. Thanks for letting me know. :) --Revan\Talk 12:54, December 10, 2014 (UTC)
Past tense in direct quotations[[edit source]]
Hey there. Regarding your edits to the quote in the lead for Dalek, do you know if it is the policy at this project to alter direct character quotations into the past tense? I have looked through 6~7 MoS/policy articles and could not find a direct answer, so I'm uncertain. Either way, this line: "[i]nside that shell, there [was] a creature born to hate, whose only thought [was] to destroy everything and everyone that [wasn't] a Dalek, too." is very brutal to read. If it isn't policy, are you okay with me changing it back to a direct quote? And if it is policy to force verbatim character lines to be in the past tense, are you okay with having this paraphrased? Blue Rook ☎ 00:31, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
No problem. The only reason I knew what to do is that I've seen it used in source mode before. Previously, I had tried using the "|" and it didn't work. Shambala108 ☎ 15:35, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I changed the Andy-Frankham Allen page you created to a redirect, as he had previously written stories under the name of Andy Frankham. The only reason I know this is because he wrote some Short Trips stories, which is an area of the wiki I focus on. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 01:13, February 11, 2015 (UTC)
Companion Chronicle numbering[[edit source]]
Hey Tybort. I just want to call your attention to Talk:The Sleeping Blood (audio story). Thanks. P&P talk contribs 16:48, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
We found out the colour of Daleks, the Doctor's eyes and the ring from seeing behind-the-scenes photographs that were taken in colour. Plus, with a keen eye and enough experience, one can see through the black-and-white format to deduce the colour of things.BananaClownMan ☎ 13:13, August 17, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, thank you, thank you for making the edit at Apology cue cards. I knew there was a policy against galleries, but I could not for the life of me remember where it was. (I forgot to check the Help namespace.) Shambala108 ☎ 23:54, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum[[edit source]]
One of the series 2 websites was the "Leamington Spa Lifeboat Museum". It was heavily implied to be a Torchwood Base. The game "Security Bot" takes place inside the base. The website is now gone, but the game can still be played on the official Dr. Who website. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheChampionOfTime (talk • contribs) .
He explicitly said 2 billion years and since Rigsy was alive around this time...
P&P got to it before me. But thanks for pointing it out!
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 01:37, December 25, 2015 (UTC)
Clearly you can't measure the doctor's age by his body. He regenerates often, and teleports often. If you were to do that, he would be a few days old when he finally got to Gallifrey. Is the age the Doctor states correct? No, the Doctor lies. His age is measured by his timestream and consciousness. When the previous bodies were destroyed he got to keep the memories as they were still part of his timestream. They took a while to integrate, but they eventually did, just like it can take you a while to remember things when you wake up in the morning, or when he regenerates. So then those sections of his timestream weren't erased from his timeline even though he got a body that had been restored to a point before those events occurred. He lived them, and remembered them. They are part of his timeline. Thus, he is now 4.5 billion years old. According to who? According to logic. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sadanyagci (talk • contribs) .
It did say that the staff seen were Zygons, I can't remember how but it did pal. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 08:52, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
A Christmas Carol did have a brief scene on Earth - the Doctor takes young Kazran to Hollywood and accidentally marries Marilyn Monroe. JagoAndLitefoot ☎ 14:44, January 13, 2016 (UTC)
"The contradiction is all of School Reunion." Because in Dreamland and School Reunion Sarah's apparently not seen the Doctor since The Hand of Fear? Putting "according to one account" on every encounter of theirs back to The Five Doctors doesn't make sense. "According to one account" only works where it's obvious what the contradiction is. So Dreamland and School Reunion could have "according to one account, Sarah and the Doctor hadn't met since she stopped traveling with him.", and it'll make sense that the contradiction is with all of the earlier listed encounters. Fwhiffahder ☎ 21:38, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
Its not vandalism to say the Controller is fat - its what he'she's called --90.199.121.253talk to me 13:48, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
What year --90.199.121.253talk to me 13:50, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
Hello Tybort, please go and check out the Doctor Who Reviews Wiki. Where you can review Doctor Who Stories! Go to: http://doctor-who-reviews.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Reviews_Wikia
Thank You!
(Sorry if this is annoying)
Allonsy potter ☎ 16:46, February 28, 2016 (UTC)
Doesn't DWM 501 come out tomorrow? It sure isn't available for download yet. I get the excitement of a new companion and I also get that within 24 hours anyone will be able to read the new adventures of the Twelfth Doctor and {name removed due to spoilers}, but doesn't this violate Tardis:Spoiler policy? I mean, at this point it would be rather silly to undo all of your edits, but please don't make a page for the comic that hasn't been officially released yet! C o T ☎ 15:22, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, I don't think you need to worry about the spoiler policy, though I've been wrong before and User:CzechOut will certainly correct me. I have to apologize for any concern you had because I'm the one who deleted the original creation of the article, and as one of my reasons I listed that it was a spoiler. Actually, my main concern was that the editor had failed to use the proper template (or any template, actually), so it was easier to delete than clean up.
- If, however, there is a spoiler on the cover, if you could help me by keeping an eye open for any uploading of the cover image, I would appreciate it. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 03:13, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
Season 6's recurring monster[[edit source]]
I saw you'd commented that Season 6 did not have a recurring monster from the classic series and so I'd just like to remind you about the Cybermats. --TazminDaytime ☎ 21:33, July 30, 2016 (UTC)TazminDaytime
Hi! I don't have time right now, but I'll get to it this evening. Thanks! Shambala108 ☎ 15:50, November 1, 2016 (UTC)
- Done. Shambala108 ☎ 13:51, November 2, 2016 (UTC)
Change your favourite wikis list[[edit source]]
Hi Tybort, just notifying you that Paul Magrs Wikia is in your list of favourite wikis. A look at its home page will tell you exactly why you should do this as fast as possible. CoT ? 01:39, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
- Hi. This is the person who made the Paul Magrs wiki. I'm just stopping by (some of) the talk pages TheChampionOfTime has been making these comments on to clarify the concerns s/he has had: You may have noticed that the front page of that wiki refers to the editors of this wiki here as "fascist bastards." That's meant to be tongue in cheek, and not a serious criticism. You may also have noticed that a lot of story pages are shamelessly duplicated from pages on this wiki. That's not plagiarism; I used the Wikia import/export feature to preserve the edit history so that all the authors are properly cited, and the license (CC-BY-SA) is followed. Fwhiffahder ☎ 02:35, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
Why was the footage of Cofelia indistinct? Later in the shot she scans a card saying Miss Foster and then Jack Harkness tell us that she is actually Cofelia and so on. I realize it's not the best shot but that's the best you can get from the file. HolmestoHomes ☎ 13:52, January 15, 2017 (UTC)
Hey! If you have free time, I'd love to hear your thoughts at Thread:212365. OS25 (Talk) 19:44, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I noticed your edits asking when Jamie's father's name was given as Donald McCrimmon. In the third episode of The Highlanders, Colin McLaren says to Willie Mackay, "And Jamie, son of Donald McCrimmon. A piper, like his father and his father's father." --GusF ☎ 21:04, October 23, 2017 (UTC)
Doctor Who Answers closed[[edit source]]
Doctor Who Answers has been closed. The new website will go up at http://www.doctorwhoanswers.com/, but right now it's not quite ready because they've not had enough spare time to sink into it. Doctor 25 ☎ 20:15, April 11, 2020 (UTC)
Hey there, I hope your Halloween was decent. As you might know, we've not had forums for over two years at this point. A few of the regular editors have been having a discussion on this topic at Forum talk:Index and we'd like the input of other prominent editors if you have the inclination. Cheers. Najawin ☎ 09:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Re: your edit summary at Orson Pink — I agree that the family tree didn't belong, but I find your words in the summary a bit harsh. Sure, Steven Moffat said in behind the scenes quotes that fans could interpret Orson as an indirect descendant of Danny so that there was no paradox, but quotes aren't valid sources, and death of the author is an established way of looking at fiction. Looking at what's on TV alone, it seems entirely possible — for example — that Orson was Danny's descendant in one possible timeline, and that time shifting again so that Danny now dies in Dark Water results in Orson being erased from history. How Orson could exist despite his alleged relation to Danny and Clara has not been established in valid sources. Indeed, the first of the quotes mentioned in that BTS section has Moffat speaking of the "more distant relative" idea as merely one possible explanation, not necessarily the be-all-end-all. All of which to say that I don't think you can point to Dark Water itself as hard evidence that Orson isn't Danny and Clara's descendant; and that calling the tree a "lie" is coming on much too strong. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 21:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- To briefly comment on the above, I'll note that the tree uses a dotted line which passes through the connection between Danny and Clara without actually emerging from it, leaving it ambiguous as to whether Orson is Danny and Clara's descendant or merely a different relative of Danny, while still embodying both opportunities. Additionally, the line connecting two people is often used to indicate pairings other than literal marriage. For these reasons I don't think the chart itself is inaccurate in the least. – n8 (☎) 21:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
It's not "fan theory" or "literary interpretation". In Listen, Orson is explicitly a descendant of Danny and Clara. Following the events of Dark Water, he is explicitly not a descendant of Danny, while still being in his family tree. Per Tardis:Neutral point of view, we cannot weight one of these sources over the other; we must present them equally. You have yet to explain how the family tree fails to achieve this. As a courtesy, I'll ask you before I go to an admin: why did you revert my edit on Orson Pink before the discussion had come to a conclusion? Are we not still discussing this matter? – n8 (☎) 14:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the point you raised in your edit summary of Special:Diff/3397585 – you're absolutely right, and I have no idea how I missed that. I've gone through Special:WhatLinksHere/Martha Jones' MySpace blog (short story) and rewritten several pages to refer to "X days before Martha met the Tenth Doctor" rather than "On XX March 2007". – n8 (☎) 16:12, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
I too raised an eyebrow at Tardis talk:Out-of-universe perspective, but as it turns out, Ncuti Gatwa has already appeared as the Fifteenth Doctor in a valid IU source (Whotopia). – n8 (☎) 17:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- That, and moreover, that page is out of date. I forgot it existed, honestly. (Why does it exist?) Please refer to T:OFFICIAL INFO and T:SPOIL FORUM instead for the up-to-date policy on this issue. As regards talk pages, spoilers are only allowed in discussion areas if they are themselves tagged with {{spoiler}}, and, in the case of a Panopticon thread, if the word "spoiler" is included in the title of the thread. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 17:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting point! I suppose it depends on the definition of "current Doctor". Fifteen certainly meets the standard of "highest confirmed consecutive number". – n8 (☎) 17:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- As I said, the Tardis:Spoiler policy#Spoilers and the forums section is intended to apply to talk page discussions as well, including Tardis_talk: ones, provided the necessary steps are taken. I may rewrite the section later to make this clearer, but you need only look to Talk:Doctor Who Wiki for precedent. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 17:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, by "consecutive number" I didn't mean consecutive number of stories. I meant that he's #15, latest in the numbered series that began with Hartnell (#1). As opposed to the Forty-Fifth Doctor, who isn't consecutive since we haven't seen 16–44, or the Fugitive Doctor, who wasn't numbered at all.
- That was just my best stab at a definition, but upon further reflection I don't know it holds up, since it excludes 14. It strikes me that both might be the "current Doctor". (As an aside, you remark that 14 will be the current Doctor "until he steps down as the Doctor on TV" – but what would that definition mean for the Eighth Doctor from 2005-2013?)
- In the end I think "current Doctor" is just a fuzzy category with no clear definition and we'd do best to avoid it. – NateBumber (☎) 15:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Re: SMW problem with future story pages[[edit source]]
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I could create a new SMW property, perhaps property:released, which is set to false if {{spoiler}} is used on the source page and true otherwise (potentially with some nuance for unreleased stories). Then, this property being true could be set as a condition in the SMW queries used to generate automated lists. For separating out TV stuff, if deemed necessary, a condition could be added tp the relevant queries that checks if property:medium is set to "tv story". Bongo50 ☎ 15:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
