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Huge nerd and wannabe writer. Nothing is canon, but Faction Paradox is canon'''er''' than NuWho. Paul Cornell still hasn't gotten back to me about how much he'll charge for the license to the maid from ''Timewyrm: Revelation'', but when he does, the spinoff will '''definitely''' satisfy the [[four little rules]]. Obverse Press is the best current publisher of Doctor Who, and I '''will''' challenge you to Rock Paper Scissors if you disagree.
Hi! I'm Nate, a fellow wearing many hats: [https://doctornolonger.tumblr.com/ blogger]; moderator of the [https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/ Doctor Who] and [https://www.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/ Gallifrey] communities on Reddit; "Godfather" of the [https://factionparadox.boards.net/ Faction Paradox forum]; admin of the [https://discord.com/invite/doctorwho Doctor Who Discord] and its flourishing wiki channel; janitor of the [[w:c:factionparadox|Faction Paradox]] and [[w:c:obverse|Obverse]] wikis; and [[Nate Bumber|occasional author]]! [[T:CANON|Nothing is canon]], but the [[Eighth Doctor novels]] are canon'''er''' than NuWho, and I '''will''' challenge you to Rock Paper Scissors if you disagree.


Disclaimer: I am aware of [[T:NPA]], and I never intend to attack anyone through what I say on this site. If any reader takes unintended offense at anything I say, I sincerely apologize; feel free to [[User_talk:NateBumber|contact me about it]], and I'll remove the perceived insult at earliest opportunity.
Disclaimer: I do my best to stick to {{w|W:OFWV|old-fashioned Wikipedian values}}, and I absolutely never intend to attack anyone through what I say on this site. If any reader takes unintended offense at anything I say, I sincerely apologize; feel free to [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:NateBumber?action=edit&section=new contact me about it] and I'll retract the perceived insult at the earliest opportunity.
 
Come join our growing community of wiki editors at [https://discord.gg/doctorwho the Doctor Who Discord!] (When you join, just ping me <code>@NateBumber#5584</code> to give you the Wiki role.)
 
== Changes I'd currently like on the wiki ==
Big thanks to everyone who's helped with things on this list!
 
=== Renames ===
{{main|:Category:Articles that need renaming}}<ref>See also [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Speedy_rename?hidelinks=1 Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Speedy rename?hidelinks=1] for more proposed renames.</ref>
* [[First Great Time War]] to [[4-D War]]
* [[Melody Pond (Prequel to The Impossible Astronaut)]] to [[Melody Pond (The Impossible Astronaut)]]
* [[Mr Saldaamir]] to [[Mister Saldaamir]]
* [[Paul Metcalf]] et al. to [[Captain Scarlet]] et al.
* [[Sabbath (Movers)]] to [[Godfather Sabbath]]
* [[Time Winds]] to [[time wind]]
* [[Victoria]] to [[Queen Victoria]]<!--
* [[Main Range]] to [[The Monthly Adventures (audio series)]] (''contra'' the conclusion at [[Talk:Main Range]]) -->
 
=== Mergers ===
{{main|:Category:Proposed mergers}}
<!--If you're an admin here to remove a link, thank you so much! Please just delete it from the list. -->
 
In the below cases, one page has been turned into a redirect, but the edit histories still need to be merged.
* [[The Doctor (Contents)]] into [[Fifteenth Doctor]]
 
=== Bigger ideas ===
{{main|User:Najawin/Sandbox 5}}
For '''817 days''', there was no way to change policy on this wiki.<ref>See [https://tardis.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003151756/ CzechOut's announcement] from November 2020 and [[Forum talk:Index|Scrooge's announcement]] from January 2023.</ref> Thank you to the brave admins who helped rescue us and to all the users who weighed in at [[Forum talk:Index]]!
 
I have plenty of ideas, but they're still cooking!
* [[Tardis:Merging policy]] is a well-written codification of the wiki's precedent regarding character and story merger decisions, but by bringing current practice into focus, it also highlights several ways we're falling short of our goal of serving our users.
** Regarding characters, the key question should be "Is it more useful to readers to cover these on the same page or separate pages?", ''not'' "Is there continuity of consciousness?" The latter may be a useful consideration when mulling the former, but there's no reason to monolithically impose a single metaphysics of identity on the entire Doctor Who multiverse when the stories in question share those assumptions only sometimes if ever.
*** Characters and concepts with minor appearances or mentions in other realities simply do not need separate pages. It serves no one to separate our coverage of [[Moira (Shadow World)]] from [[Moira (The Pilot)]], [[Jevon (Ascension)]] from [[Jevon (Emancipation)]], or [[David Whitaker (The Thief of Sherwood)]] from [[David Whitaker (The Daleks)]]. See [[Tardis:Temporary forums/Archive/Subpage policy#Applications|my original subpage proposal]] for [[Tardis:Temporary forums/Archive/Subpage policy#Other realities|one potential fix.]]
*** For a wiki run ''by'' fans ''for'' fans, we sure do care an awful lot about licensing! If 100% of the audience understands that a character is intended to be another character, the useful thing for us to do is to acknowledge the connection, using our existing [[Time Lord messenger (Genesis of the Daleks)]] method of in-universe disambiguation if necessary. [[T:HOMEWORLD|The Homeworld principle]] already hints at this, but a broader policy would also allow us to acknowledge the obvious intentions in cases like [[the Mistress (The Choice)]] and [[the Imperator]]. See [[/Sandbox/3#Thinly-veiled characters|Sandbox 3]] for a longer potential list.
** Regarding stories, our treatment of multi-parters is a mess: either we flatten all 12 episodes and 3 months of ''[[The Daleks' Master Plan (TV story)|The Daleks' Master Plan]]'' into a single page, or we plug our fingers in our ears and flat-out refuse to acknowledge that [[series 13 (Doctor Who 2005)|series 13]] is a multi-part story called ''Flux''.<ref>Other examples of oddly covered multi-part stories are ''[[Torchwood: Children of Earth|Children of Earth]]'' and ''[[Torchwood: Miracle Day|Miracle Day]]''; Big Finish's ''[[Parasite (audio story)|Parasite]]'' and ''[[Friend of the Family (audio story)|Friend of the Family]]''; and ''[[Interference - Book One (novel)|Interference - Book One]]'' and ''[[Interference - Book Two (novel)|Book Two]]'', which I have [[Talk:Interference - Book One (novel)#Rename Round 2|long]] [[Thread:257975|argued]] to be inconsistently covered.</ref> This lack of nuance has negative practical effects regarding
***citation. According to our fellow reference sources like [[DWM]] and [[TCH]], ''100,000 BC'' is the name of the serial whose first episode is "An Unearthly Child". However, in violation of the principles articulated at [[Talk:Main Range]], we call the whole serial ''An Unearthly Child'' instead.
***character disambiguation. Contrast [[Talk:Andy Stone (The Dalek Book)|Andy Stone (The Dalek Book)]] with [[Talk:Tecteun (Once, Upon Time)#Rename proposal|Tecteun (Once, Upon Time)]], or [[Nurse (Children of Earth)]] and [[Father (Children of Earth: Day One)]].
***counting. See [[Talk:Season 23]] for an argument over how to count the parts of ''[[The Trial of a Time Lord (TV story)|The Trial of a Time Lord]]'', where our nuanceless approach almost led us to diverge from the consensus numbering used by every other reference source!
***clarity. Since we lack pages for individual episodes, it's hard to cover the many stories which have adapted "An Unearthly Child" without touching on the other parts of ''100,000 BC''.
***convenience. Just look at how hard it is to figure out what exact date [[Sara Kingdom]] debuted on TV in ''[[The Daleks' Master Plan (TV story)|The Daleks' Master Plan]]'', or which of the story's two authors wrote that episode!
* The 1960s gifted us multiple overlapping but often mutually-exclusive understandings of the character called "Dr. Who". Right now we cover [[Dr. Who|some of these]] individually but mash the rest together into a confusing conglomerate on [[First Doctor]]. We could straighten out our coverage considerably. See [[Talk:Dr. Who]].
* To dam the endless stream of disturbing pages like "[[12-years-old girl from Nice, France]]", we should follow Wikipedia's precedent and restrict page creation in the Main namespace to registered editors. This would not affect any good-faith IP editors, who could still create talk pages and edit existing articles, and who are [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?userExpLevel=unregistered&hidebots=1&hidepageedits=1&hidelog=1&limit=1000&days=30&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 already mostly uninterested] in creating pages in the Main namespace. It just makes sense that by the time a user wants to create an article, we require them to provide a talk page where users can advise them on formatting and so on.
* Timeline pages have never made much sense to me. If three stories are all meant to be set immediately before a fourth, we gain nothing by squeezing them into a linear order. This problem is inherent in the idea of a time''line'', and it guarantees that there will never be an end to the edit wars in our timeline section. Matters of chronological sequencing are much better addressed in the "Notes" sections of story pages, "Chronology" sections of event pages like [[Shoreditch Incident]], and/or the "Relation to other realities" sections of reality pages like [[Virgin reality]].
 
== Sandboxes ==
{{main|/Sandbox}}
 
== Footnotes ==
{{reflist}}

Latest revision as of 07:14, 30 August 2024

Hi! I'm Nate, a fellow wearing many hats: blogger; moderator of the Doctor Who and Gallifrey communities on Reddit; "Godfather" of the Faction Paradox forum; admin of the Doctor Who Discord and its flourishing wiki channel; janitor of the Faction Paradox and Obverse wikis; and occasional author! Nothing is canon, but the Eighth Doctor novels are canoner than NuWho, and I will challenge you to Rock Paper Scissors if you disagree.

Disclaimer: I do my best to stick to old-fashioned Wikipedian values, and I absolutely never intend to attack anyone through what I say on this site. If any reader takes unintended offense at anything I say, I sincerely apologize; feel free to contact me about it and I'll retract the perceived insult at the earliest opportunity.

Come join our growing community of wiki editors at the Doctor Who Discord! (When you join, just ping me @NateBumber#5584 to give you the Wiki role.)

Changes I'd currently like on the wiki[[edit] | [edit source]]

Big thanks to everyone who's helped with things on this list!

Renames[[edit] | [edit source]]

Main article: :Category:Articles that need renaming[1]

Mergers[[edit] | [edit source]]

Main article: :Category:Proposed mergers

In the below cases, one page has been turned into a redirect, but the edit histories still need to be merged.

Bigger ideas[[edit] | [edit source]]

Main article: User:Najawin/Sandbox 5

For 817 days, there was no way to change policy on this wiki.[2] Thank you to the brave admins who helped rescue us and to all the users who weighed in at Forum talk:Index!

I have plenty of ideas, but they're still cooking!

  • Tardis:Merging policy is a well-written codification of the wiki's precedent regarding character and story merger decisions, but by bringing current practice into focus, it also highlights several ways we're falling short of our goal of serving our users.
    • Regarding characters, the key question should be "Is it more useful to readers to cover these on the same page or separate pages?", not "Is there continuity of consciousness?" The latter may be a useful consideration when mulling the former, but there's no reason to monolithically impose a single metaphysics of identity on the entire Doctor Who multiverse when the stories in question share those assumptions only sometimes if ever.
    • Regarding stories, our treatment of multi-parters is a mess: either we flatten all 12 episodes and 3 months of The Daleks' Master Plan into a single page, or we plug our fingers in our ears and flat-out refuse to acknowledge that series 13 is a multi-part story called Flux.[3] This lack of nuance has negative practical effects regarding
  • The 1960s gifted us multiple overlapping but often mutually-exclusive understandings of the character called "Dr. Who". Right now we cover some of these individually but mash the rest together into a confusing conglomerate on First Doctor. We could straighten out our coverage considerably. See Talk:Dr. Who.
  • To dam the endless stream of disturbing pages like "12-years-old girl from Nice, France", we should follow Wikipedia's precedent and restrict page creation in the Main namespace to registered editors. This would not affect any good-faith IP editors, who could still create talk pages and edit existing articles, and who are already mostly uninterested in creating pages in the Main namespace. It just makes sense that by the time a user wants to create an article, we require them to provide a talk page where users can advise them on formatting and so on.
  • Timeline pages have never made much sense to me. If three stories are all meant to be set immediately before a fourth, we gain nothing by squeezing them into a linear order. This problem is inherent in the idea of a timeline, and it guarantees that there will never be an end to the edit wars in our timeline section. Matters of chronological sequencing are much better addressed in the "Notes" sections of story pages, "Chronology" sections of event pages like Shoreditch Incident, and/or the "Relation to other realities" sections of reality pages like Virgin reality.

Sandboxes[[edit] | [edit source]]

Main article: /Sandbox

Footnotes[[edit] | [edit source]]

  1. See also Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Speedy rename?hidelinks=1 for more proposed renames.
  2. See CzechOut's announcement from November 2020 and Scrooge's announcement from January 2023.
  3. Other examples of oddly covered multi-part stories are Children of Earth and Miracle Day; Big Finish's Parasite and Friend of the Family; and Interference - Book One and Book Two, which I have long argued to be inconsistently covered.