Talk:Interference - Book One (novel)

Rename

In conjunction with the creation of Interference (novel), I'm proposing that Interference - Book One (novel) and Interference - Book Two (novel) be renamed to just Interference - Book One and Intererence - Book Two. The main reason is that, according to BBC branding, these books are parts of a two-part novel, not novels in and of themselves. When a release is part of a range or another release, it's strange that it would have the same dab term as its "parent", for the same reason that a (short story) is part of an (anthology) and an (audio story) in an (audio anthology) belongs to an (audio series). (novel) is really the only dab term that works on Interference (novel), so I think the (novel) term can't stay here. Thankfully, the page titles already have perfectly good built-in disambiguifiers: "- Book One" and "- Book Two". I know it's kind of an unorthodox suggestion, but this change would fit in with other recent page renames, like the removal of the (anthology) dab term from Iris Wildthyme and the Celestial Omnibus, and these names have already been used as redirects for eons without a problem, so I hope it gets fair consideration. – N8 ☎ 16:58, July 1, 2019 (UTC)

Per Thread:215131 we have two definitions for prose, novel and short story. They are defined at the thread I cited. We don't worry about how they're marketed; for us it's just a measure of identification. And the novel dab term must stay with those stories since they would be the ones cited on in universe pages, in the same way that we don't cite Children of Earth or The Trial of a Time Lord but instead we cite the individual stories.bThanks Shambala108 ☎ 19:50, July 1, 2019 (UTC)

Okay, that makes a lot of sense. In that case should Interference (novel) have something other than a (novel) dab term? (prose series), I suppose? – N8 ☎ 19:57, July 1, 2019 (UTC)

Related to this discussion, I've created a Panopticon thread about the (prose series) dab term idea here. – N8 ☎ 16:53, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

Rename Round 2

The current situation with our still-lacking coverage of Interference:

1. At Talk:Interference - Book Two (novel)#Merge tag, User:CzechOut dismissed my 2017 proposal to merge Interference - Book One (novel) and Interference - Book Two (novel). However, then-admin User-Amorkuz invited me to create Interference (novel), since the plot of the two novels cannot be adequately covered separately.
2. However, as noted above, it's awkward that Interference - Book One (novel) and Interference - Book Two (novel) use the same dab term as Interference (novel). I proposed in 2019 that (novel) be removed where "Book One" and "Book Two" disambiguate sufficiently; User:Shambala108 reasonably rejected this possibility.
3. My proposal of Interference (prose series) failed to garner any support in the forums, and with hindsight it is clearly inappropriate in this case, as it improperly recasts Interference as a series rather than a single story.
4. Part of CzechOut's instructions were that the words "interference", "book", and the number ("one" or "two") must remain in the title or URL for SEO purposes, so the subtitles Shock Tactic and The Hour of the Geek cannot help us here.
5. After much thinking, I have found another approach, which I believe to be optimal: Interference (novel)/Book One and Interference (novel)/Book Two.

This approach takes advantage of the special features of subpages to combine the benefits of separate pages and mergers:

• it will be significantly easier to link to the individual books from Interference (novel), while other pages can still cite the existing URLs as redirects;
• the pages for Book One and Book Two will remain intact and independent but conclusively linked to Interference (novel) through the header (like how a user can easily click to Doctor Who Magazine from the header of Doctor Who Magazine/1986); and
• the dab terms and necessary words are used parsimoniously, without awkward repetition.

This may be an innovative use of subpages for the wiki, but it's one which lies firmly within the span of the rules. Let me know what you think! – n8 (☎) 21:25, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

After reading through this, and browsing through Interference (novel) (which is a great article).

I'm just curious if you can elaborate a little more on the problem this is trying to solve?

I can understand the perceived awkwardness around the dab term.

I'm just unsure about undercutting the two novels by pushing them off to sub-pages of Interference (novel), which kinda alters their perceived validity. They are both still seperate publications with separate ISBNs etc. --Tangerineduel / talk 06:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)