Talk:Handles

the Longest Companion Handles was with the doctor more than 300 years does this make handles the doctor's longest companion– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.29.142.122 (talk).

The false Wilson equivocacy: what does a stupid ball have to do with this? There's a pretty significant difference between a talking robot head, and an inamiate object that the maoin character loses of his own accord.– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.60.125.226 (talk).

"Cyberman"

Is it fair to classify Handles's species as a Cyberman? It seems pretty inherent to what a Cyberman is to be a converted organic being in the robot-suit — Handles is not that, and, as an individual, was never that, though the robot head that later became him used to be part of a Cyberman's robot-suit.--Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 19:20, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Well, yeah, Handles is a Cyberman head. Think to Age of Steel when an empty Cyberman suit attacks Mickey and Jake in the Zeppelin. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, they referred to it as a Cyberman. But say we do change Handles' species, what would you suggest? Ben Moore512 ☎ 19:28, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Concerning the suit in Age of Steel — er, do they call it a Cyberman? All I remember is Mickey quipping "a robot suit's still a perfectly good robot". (Incidentally, do we have a page on said empty Cyberman suit?) I would honestly vote for both to be classified as "androids", in which category Handles' page is already placed. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 19:33, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Like I said, I couldn't exactly remember. Haven't seen Series 2 in some time. But then again, the page states he was at least a full Cyberman at one point, he just had everything cleared out like organic parts and programming. So, I dunno, does that make him not a Cyberman anymore? Has there been another example we can use to decide? Ben Moore512 ☎ 19:37, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Well, my point is that Handles can't be considered one with the Cyberman he was once a part of; it's not that "the Cyberman" had its organic parts removed and became Handles, because the part of a Cyberman that makes it an individual is the organic being who got a bunch of cybernetic parts attached to it.

Let me put to you this way. If the Doctor succeeded in removing Bill Potts's brain from the Cybersuit and giving her a new regular body, and then the de-brained cybersuit began acting of its own accord, would you consider the suit to still be Bill Potts?

But no, to answer your question, I know of no precedent for this peculiar pickle. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 19:55, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Hydroflax? Amorkuz ☎ 21:04, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Good point, but, uh… --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 21:07, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

LOL. I'm just trying to help. Amorkuz ☎ 21:17, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Update: I have just discovered that the page Cyber-helmet exists. Would 'Cyber-helmet' not be an apt descriptor of what Handles is? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 09:43, September 27, 2018 (UTC)