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The following is an approximate timeline of the [[Eighth Doctor]], split by rough era (often indicated by publisher and real-world time, and named as such). This should not been seen as definitively indicitive of [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc]]'s permanent beliefs, nor of her editing agenda.
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Sources from ranges like the [[Short Trips (series)|Short Trips]] where placement is not collected can be placed in segements pertaining to other ranges, such as [[Big Finish]]'s [[The Eighth Doctor Adventures (audio series)|The Eighth Doctor Adventures]].
==Early adventures==
[[File:EighthDoctor1.jpg|thumb|left]]
''Stories set before the [[Eigth Doctor]] leaves [[Sam Jones]] at a Greanpeace rally, as mentioned as occuring in the past in [[PROSE]]: [[Vampire Science (novel)|Vampire Science]], should be placed here''
{| class="wikitable unsortable"
!Title
!Author
!Series
!Justification for placement and other continuity notes
!Date
|-
|[[TV]]: ''[[Doctor Who (TV story)|Doctor Who - The Movie]]'' / [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Novel of the Film (novelisation)|The Novel of the Film]]'' / ''[[The TV Movie (novelisation)|The TV Movie]]''
|[[Matthew Jacobs]] / [[Gary Russell]] / Gary Russel (respectively)
|Standalone
|In ''[[The TV Movie (novelisation)|The TV Movie]]'', the [[Tzun Confederacy]] is mentioned, implying that the "Old Master" of the film is the same as in [[PROSE]]: ''[[First Frontier (novel)|First Frontier]]'', showing that, from this novelisation's perspective, the [[Virgin New Adventures]] [[canon|"really happended"]]. Previously the first [[EDA]], ''[[The Eight Doctors (novel)|The Eight Doctors]]'', had not only ignored [[Romana II]]'s presidency but also implied the "Old Master" had only recently left the [[Cheetah Planet]] from [[TV]]: ''[[Survival (TV story)|Survival]]'', the last episode of the "classic" ''Doctor Who'' series.
|[[14 May (releases)|14 May]] [[1996 (releases)|1996]]
|-
|''[[The Eight Doctors (novel)|The Eight Doctors]]''
|[[Terrance Dicks]]
|[[BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures]]
|The beggining leads directly from the end of ''Doctor Who - The Movie''
|[[2 June (releases)|2 June]] [[1997 (releases)|1997]]
|-
|''[[Bounty (audio story)|Bounty]]''
|[[Peter Anghelides]]
|[[Earth and Beyond (audio anthology)|Earth and Beyond]]
|Features [[Sam Jones]]'s first travel in the TARDIS
|[[7 September (releases)|7 September]] [[1998 (releases)|1998]]
|-
|colspan=5|Between adventures with Sam, the Doctor begins taking several "side trips" by himself. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Seeing I (novel)|Seeing I]]''). '''Stories in this "gap" are not internally ordered''' (unless stated otherwise), and all fit equally here.
|-
|[[PROSE]]: ''[[Model Train Set (short story)|Model Train Set]]''
|[[Jonathan Blum]]
|[[Short Trips (anthology)|Short Trips]]
|The Doctor is still adjusting to his new personality
The Eighth Doctor was first mentioned as having a train set in [[PROSE]]: ''[[Vampire Science (novel)|Vampire Science]]''.
|[[2 March (releases)|2 March]] [[1998 (releases)|1998]]
|-
|[[PROSE]]: ''[[The People's Temple (short story)]]''
|[[Paul Leonard]]
|[[Short Trips (anthology)|Short Trips]]
|The Doctor sees the result of his tampering with the TARDIS model train set, setting this after ''Model Train Set''
|[[2 March (releases)|2 March]] [[1998 (releases)|1998]]
|-
|[[PROSE]]: ''[[The Queen of Eros (short story)]]''
|[[Trevor Baxendale]]
|[[Short Trips and Side Steps]]
|No solid reason for placement, but it features Sam and the Doctor with no explanation of placement, so placing it in the gap with few published stories despite being reasonably long in-universe makes some sense. But feel free to [[User talk:Cousin Ettolrhc|contact Cousin Ettolrhc]] if you disagree.
|[[6 March (releases)|6 March]] [[2000 (releases)|2000]]
|}
==Greenpeace gap==
''See [[/Greenpeace]]''
==BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures==
''See [[/EDA]]''


Headings should be named after, or at least include, their real-world range/series name. For example ''Adventures with [[Charley Pollard]] ([[Main Range]])'', rather than simply ''Adventures with [[Charley Pollard]]''. Note that the inclusion of the brackets "Main Range" does '''not''' exclude non-''Main Range'' sources, such as [[Charlotte Pollard: The Further Adventuress (audio anthology)| The Further Adventuress]], as outlined above. Subpages should be named after the acronym of their real-world range/series name, for example "MR" for "Main Range". Note that "EDA" here refers to the [[BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures]] and "8DA" to Big Finish's [[The Eighth Doctor Adventures (audio series)|The Eighth Doctor Adventures]]. When a subpage can only be named after in-universe information, such as [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/Greenpeace gap]], it should use the full phrase and not just the acronym.
==Big Finish Eighth Doctor Adventures==
''See [[/8DA]]''
:Note that the [[/MR|Main Range adventures with Charley Pollard]] are not objectively included here, and covered separately. However the possibility of them immediately preceeding is acknowledged.


== Immediately Post-Regeneration ==
=="The Night of the Doctor" outfit==
''Only sources which are adapttaions of, or set within, either [[Doctor Who (TV story)|Doctor Who: The Movie]] or sources set as direct sequels, should be included here''
[[File:Eighth Doctor rescuing Cass.jpg|thumb|left]]
* [[TV]]: ''[[Doctor Who (TV story)|Doctor Who: The Movie]]'' / [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Novel of the Film (novelisation)|The Novel of the Film]]'' / [[PROSE]]: ''[[The TV Movie (novelisation)|The TV Movie]]''
:<u>CONTINUITY: </u>Any story where the Eighth Doctor wears his outfit from ''The Night of the Doctor '' should go here
* [[PROSE]]: [[The Eight Doctors (novel)|The Eight Doctors]] - set immediately after ''Doctor Who: The Movie''
===[[Eighth_Doctor_comic_stories#Titan_Comics|Titan comics]]===
As of 2023, these are the only series where the Eighth Doctor is wearing his ''Night of the Doctor'' outfit, but there isn't a cosmic crisis going on
Note that there isn't sufficient evidence to place this before or after ''Time Lord Victorius'' in the timeline, but it has been placed before here due to the assumption based on release date ([[2016 (releases)|2016]]-[[2017 (releases)|2017]] for these, [[2020 (releases)]] for TLV).
''See [[/Titan]]''
===[[Time Lord Victorious (series)|Time Lord Victorious]]===
''See [[/TLV]]''
===Avoiding the Time War===
''See [[/Time War]] for the continuity which ends in the regeneration into the [[War Doctor]] in [[TV]]: [[The Night of the Doctor (TV story)|The Night of the Doctor]], mainly covered by [[Big Finish]]'s [[The Eighth Doctor: Time War]]
:::NOTE FOR DEV, DO REMOVE: [[Theory:Timeline_-_Eighth_Doctor#The_uncertain_tale_of_the_Last_Great_Time_War]] should be critically examined for inclusion, particular the parts before 8:TW


== The "Greenpeace gap" ==
==Ending the Time War==
:: (<u>NOTE</u>)
''This is for the continuity presumed until [[TV]]: [[The Night of the Doctor (TV story)|The Night of the Doctor]], repopulised by [[Doctor Who and the Time War (short story)|Doctor Who and the Time War]] but which other stories had prevouisly utilised''
:: ''The Doctor leaves Sam at a Greenpeace rally, for what is a few hours for her and a few years for him. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Seeing I (novel)|Seeing I]]'')''
:<u>CONTINUITY NOTE: </u>Any story where the Eighth Doctor takes an active role in the [[Last Great Time War]], especially if it is hinted that he will destroy the Time Lords and Daleks by the end, is presumed to take place here.
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:<u>NOTE: </u>All stories here are in some level of contradiction, and minimal internal ordering is presumed
''The [[Radio Times comic stories]] featuring the [[Eighth Doctor]] were intended to take place in this gap, and others have also been placed here''


== [[BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures]] ==
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Osskah (short story)|Osskah]]'' - part of the [[Short Trips (series)|Short Trips]] series.
{{main|User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/EDA}}
:::The Doctor is carrying out distress calls to put an end to a "storm in Heaven", presumably the [[Last Great Time War]] due to being released in [[2007 (releases)|2007]], but the similarity in name to the [[War in Heaven]] could make it a reference to that.
:::The Eighth Doctor silver sonic screwdriver with a blue emitter, a description that matches the [[The Doctor's sonic screwdriver#The Ninth and Tenth Doctors' sonic screwdriver|Ninth Doctor's]], implying a setting near the end of his life.
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Museum Peace (short story)|Museum Peace]]'' - part of the [[Short Trips (series)|Short Trips]] series. He knows he will "[[regeneration|change again"]], but must do something involving [[Fall of Gallifrey|ending a war with the Daleks]].
* [[COMIC]]: ''[[The Forgotten (comic story)|The Forgotten]]: Revelation'' - Wearing old, worn-out Victorian clothing, the Doctor attempts to find a way to end the Time War with the Key of Rassilon. Upon looking back on his eighth incarnation, the Tenth Doctor indicated that he ended the war shortly after inquiring the Key.
* [[PROSE]]: ''[[Doctor Who and the Time War (short story)|Doctor Who and the Time War]]'' - the Eighth Doctor ends the [[Last Great Time War]] using [[The Moment]]. Powered by [[the Restoration]], he is able to subvert the Moment's effect of disabling regeneration, and become the [[Ninth Doctor]].
::[[PROSE]]: ''[[The Eyeless (novel)|The Eyeless]] mentioned the Doctor using [[Weapon (The Eyeless)|a weapon]] to wipe out the Daleks and Time Lords.


==== Adventures with [[Charlotte Pollard|Charley Pollard]] ([[Main Range]])====
:: ''Next page: [[Theory:Timeline - Ninth Doctor]]'' (this page's chronology is not endorsed by [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc]] as it is outside her userspace and has not been analylised''
{{main|User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/MR}}
: (<u>NOTE</u>)
: ''There is a mentioned gap between when the [[Eighth Doctor]] leaves [[Fitz Kreiner]] at [[Skale]] with [[Fillipa Cian]] and when he picks him up again, mentioned in [[PROSE]]: [[Parallel 59 (novel)|Parallel 59]], where some adventures could fit.''
: ADD INTERFERNCE GAP
=== Adventures with [[Charlotte Pollard|Charley Pollard]] ([[Main Range]])===
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=== [[The Eighth Doctor Adventures (audio series)|The Eighth Doctor Adventures]] (Big Finish) ===
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== [[The Eighth Doctor Adventures (audio series)|The Eighth Doctor Adventures]] (Big Finish) ==
{{main|User:Cousin Ettolrhc/Sandbox/Timeline - Eighth Doctor/8DA}}
 
== Sources of very ambigius placement ==

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Early adventures[[edit] | [edit source]]

EighthDoctor1.jpg

Stories set before the Eigth Doctor leaves Sam Jones at a Greanpeace rally, as mentioned as occuring in the past in PROSE: Vampire Science, should be placed here

Title Author Series Justification for placement and other continuity notes Date
TV: Doctor Who - The Movie / PROSE: The Novel of the Film / The TV Movie Matthew Jacobs / Gary Russell / Gary Russel (respectively) Standalone In The TV Movie, the Tzun Confederacy is mentioned, implying that the "Old Master" of the film is the same as in PROSE: First Frontier, showing that, from this novelisation's perspective, the Virgin New Adventures "really happended". Previously the first EDA, The Eight Doctors, had not only ignored Romana II's presidency but also implied the "Old Master" had only recently left the Cheetah Planet from TV: Survival, the last episode of the "classic" Doctor Who series. 14 May 1996
The Eight Doctors Terrance Dicks BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures The beggining leads directly from the end of Doctor Who - The Movie 2 June 1997
Bounty Peter Anghelides Earth and Beyond Features Sam Jones's first travel in the TARDIS 7 September 1998
Between adventures with Sam, the Doctor begins taking several "side trips" by himself. (PROSE: Seeing I). Stories in this "gap" are not internally ordered (unless stated otherwise), and all fit equally here.
PROSE: Model Train Set Jonathan Blum Short Trips The Doctor is still adjusting to his new personality

The Eighth Doctor was first mentioned as having a train set in PROSE: Vampire Science.

2 March 1998
PROSE: The People's Temple (short story) Paul Leonard Short Trips The Doctor sees the result of his tampering with the TARDIS model train set, setting this after Model Train Set 2 March 1998
PROSE: The Queen of Eros (short story) Trevor Baxendale Short Trips and Side Steps No solid reason for placement, but it features Sam and the Doctor with no explanation of placement, so placing it in the gap with few published stories despite being reasonably long in-universe makes some sense. But feel free to contact Cousin Ettolrhc if you disagree. 6 March 2000

Greenpeace gap[[edit] | [edit source]]

See /Greenpeace

BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures[[edit] | [edit source]]

See /EDA

Big Finish Eighth Doctor Adventures[[edit] | [edit source]]

See /8DA

Note that the Main Range adventures with Charley Pollard are not objectively included here, and covered separately. However the possibility of them immediately preceeding is acknowledged.

"The Night of the Doctor" outfit[[edit] | [edit source]]

Eighth Doctor rescuing Cass.jpg
CONTINUITY: Any story where the Eighth Doctor wears his outfit from The Night of the Doctor should go here

Titan comics[[edit] | [edit source]]

As of 2023, these are the only series where the Eighth Doctor is wearing his Night of the Doctor outfit, but there isn't a cosmic crisis going on Note that there isn't sufficient evidence to place this before or after Time Lord Victorius in the timeline, but it has been placed before here due to the assumption based on release date (2016-2017 for these, 2020 (releases) for TLV). See /Titan

Time Lord Victorious[[edit] | [edit source]]

See /TLV

Avoiding the Time War[[edit] | [edit source]]

See /Time War for the continuity which ends in the regeneration into the War Doctor in TV: The Night of the Doctor, mainly covered by Big Finish's The Eighth Doctor: Time War

NOTE FOR DEV, DO REMOVE: Theory:Timeline_-_Eighth_Doctor#The_uncertain_tale_of_the_Last_Great_Time_War should be critically examined for inclusion, particular the parts before 8:TW

Ending the Time War[[edit] | [edit source]]

This is for the continuity presumed until TV: The Night of the Doctor, repopulised by Doctor Who and the Time War but which other stories had prevouisly utilised

CONTINUITY NOTE: Any story where the Eighth Doctor takes an active role in the Last Great Time War, especially if it is hinted that he will destroy the Time Lords and Daleks by the end, is presumed to take place here.
NOTE: All stories here are in some level of contradiction, and minimal internal ordering is presumed
The Doctor is carrying out distress calls to put an end to a "storm in Heaven", presumably the Last Great Time War due to being released in 2007, but the similarity in name to the War in Heaven could make it a reference to that.
The Eighth Doctor silver sonic screwdriver with a blue emitter, a description that matches the Ninth Doctor's, implying a setting near the end of his life.
PROSE: The Eyeless mentioned the Doctor using a weapon to wipe out the Daleks and Time Lords.
Next page: Theory:Timeline - Ninth Doctor (this page's chronology is not endorsed by User:Cousin Ettolrhc as it is outside her userspace and has not been analylised