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==the great Face of Boe debate==
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===Face of Boe===


Why does the Face of Boe have to be a redirect here? He maybe Jack according to [[Last of the Time Lords]], but still I think the face still deserves his own article. The evil dudeKorak 14:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
== Jack's Timeline ==


:Perhaps the Face of Boe article should be reverted back, it's more or less like the Doctor, the Face of Boe is Jack's "future incarnation" with his own personality and identity (and adventures) separate from Jack Harkness. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 15:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the burial of Jack in 27 AD and reappearance in the early 20th century in Exit Wounds appear not at the end of the timeline but at the beginning? I realize this means Jack crosses his own timelines but it's odd to read of his activities in Torchwood in the 1900s without acknowledgment that his team unearthed a later version of him back then.[[Special:Contributions/69.125.134.86|69.125.134.86]]<sup>[[User talk:69.125.134.86#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:29, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
: N-no, no it shouldn't... [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 16:40, December 17, 2012 (UTC)


Pregnancy: surely the mention of being pregnant in some way relates to Boe's pregnancy in [[The Long Game]]?
== Policy question ==
I have a question about policy regarding comments by actors.  In explaining why Jack is immortal, John Barrowman stated:


:It is theoretically possible, though the suggestion is that Jack has been pregnant in his past, but Boe (Jack's future self) has/will be pregnant as his 'Boe self' (rather than Jack himself). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
""Now you're really getting me into the fan boy stuff here, it takes us all the way back to the first time Jack actually died and came back to life because we thought it was the time, uh.uh .the TARDIS that him brought him back to life. But it was..you know .because of the death you know from the Dalek, that all happened and it was Rose. It turns out that his blood is actually alien blood. So there's more to him than we ever thought. So it is his blood that keeps him alive, it was not time. You know there's all those questions now which NEED to be answered".
::Please note that these comments are old and the [[Face of Boe]] has had its own article for some time now. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] 12:36, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


=== Hmm... ===
- JB, Dragon Con 2012, Starting at the 12 minute mark. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R8V9D_K0MA8#t=726s]


I'm pretty sure it hasn't been explicitly stated that Jack is the same Face of Boe, as the one that the Doctor meets on New Earth, so this should be written into the article as being speculation at best. Russell T Davies has said it is only "theory" anyways, so we shouldn't take it as being fact. &mdash; <b>[[User:Beeurd|<span style="color:black">beeurd</span>]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:Beeurd|talk]]</sup> 20:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Are insider comments by the actor considered noteworthy to add to the Skills and Abilities (Immortality) or Other Matters section of Jack's wiki?  It appears to subvert canon and rewrite his known history.
=== jack IS boe ===


i know there have been other discussions about this but i now have proof that jack IS boe (i think) boe dies in the year 5 billion and 53 (or some time near that) BUT he knows about yana who exists in the year something TRILLION, a bit more than a billion, so how else could boe know about yana unless he is actually jack and also i think its very unlikely the doctorwho writers will throw in a wild gosse chase about a charecter we are probably never going to see again[[Special:Contributions/81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 18:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks.
*I'm sorry, but that is still speculation, not proof. Face of Boe could have known about Yana because Yana said that he was found as a child on the coast of the Silver Devastation, which is the area previously identified as where the Face of Boe comes from. &mdash; <b>[[User:Beeurd|<span style="color:black">beeurd</span>]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:Beeurd|talk]]</sup> 23:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
~ ~ ~ ~ kpattersonraven
:For future reference, these kinds of questions can be asked at [[Board:The Panopticon|The Panopticon]], since it's a policy question. It will gain more attention there. Also, don't add spaces between the tildes (so <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> instead of ~ ~ ~ ~), as it's unhelpful.
:To answer your question though, according to [[T:SOURCES]], only narrative sources are allowed for information on in-universe pages such as this. What [[John Barrowman]] says happened is irrelevant to the article. Anyways, read through [[Tardis:Valid sources]], and you'll get an answer much more in-depth than I can possibly give you.
:But, specifically, no, actors' comments on their characters '''cannot''' go in the main body of an in-universe page, and they '''cannot''' be used as sources for information on the character. Hope that helps!<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 06:55, April 2, 2013 (UTC)


but boe still died in 5billion and 23 and i think yana wouldnt live from 5billion and 23 to about the year 10trillion without dying of old age (remember he did make himself human) and even if he did how would the face of boe know that he was a timelord[[Special:Contributions/81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 08:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
==Deaths, buried under Cardiff==
Jack was buried underneath Cardiff in 27AD and released in 1901, which means he was buried for 1874 years.


:There is the possibility that the Face of Boe was either A) Guessing in a generalised sense that 'You are not alone' was in fact just that, and it was just a coincidence that it spelled YANA. B) That the Face of Boe was a psychic (which is possible and there have been psychics previous in stores), and was genuinely able to foretell the future. This option is less unlikely than it might seem, the Face of Boe is already telepathic, and as a Face/head he doesn't have much else to master body wise, so mental abilities could be one of the abilities of Boekind.
Presuming that it takes him four minutes to be revived each time he dies of things which don't require his entire body to re-grow itself (based on how long it took him to revive after Suzie shot him), and that it takes him six minutes to suffocate (brain death occurs roughly four minutes after loss of consciousness), he dies 52.595 times per year.
:But also, there isn't a direct chain of events that lead between Jack and Boe, there is only supposition that leads to the assumption that Boe and Jack, it's enough to suggest the possibility but not enough to say for certain that they are the same person. A name isn't proof, so for now (until more information comes to light that is). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 10:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


The face of Boe is a Telepathic, right? What boundaries are there stopping him from being able to communicate through the bands of time?  
That means he died 98.563.030 times while buried underneath Cardiff. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:38, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
--[[User:Ledwrong|Ledwrong]] 08:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:So technically we '''can''' calculate how many times Jack has died. Shall we put it on the main page? perhaps as "it can be estimated that Jack has died.....[[User:Snivystorm|Snivystorm]] [[User talk:Snivystorm|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:05, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
::This debate was left unfinished. I'd very much like some other voices on this topic. To me, this makes sense, and I propose an edit on this topic. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:37, December 8, 2016 (UTC)
:::Honestly, all this seems to me like speculation. Can we '''really''' be sure it took him four minutes to revive after Suzie shot him? Can we '''really''' be sure it takes him the same time to come back to life every time he dies? Can we be '''really''' sure he kept coming back to life while burried? [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:57, December 8, 2016 (UTC)
::::I typed all this out and there was an edit conflict. Since I'm too lazy to rewrite, I"ll just repost what I had already written.


[[Russell T. Davies]], [[John Barrowman]], [[Julie Gardener]] and [[David Tennant]] have all said Jack is Boe. I think the info should be put here, but have some sort of banner where it begins that says something like "It is under debate whether the following information is canon". I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! [[User:Bigredrabbit|Bigredrabbit]] 00:16, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm going to rule against this idea. It's never a good idea to use dates to calculate something we don't know, because you never know what DWU authors are going to do next. For all we know, some future author will say that year so-and-so lasted for four hundred days instead of 365, or something like that, which would throw off the calculations. More importantly, this whole post is based on speculation: "presuming" that it takes a certain amount of time for Jack to revive in certain circumstances. If we aren't given the exact time it takes, we can't calculate the number of deaths. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:00, December 8, 2016 (UTC)


=== Exlicit Face of Boe stuff ===
== Handsome Jack ==


The following statement, rather than showing the possibility that Jack is the Face of Boe, actually assumes it. I put it here to make it easier for someone to reword and fix if they can figure out how..
Ok, I did a little digging, but wasn't able to figure out how to edit the main page to update it.
: ''He could also project messages onto the Doctor's psychic paper after he became the Face of Boe.'' ([[DW]]: ''[[New Earth (TV story)|New Earth]]'')
--[[user_talk:trlkly|trlkly]] 12:29, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


=== Behind the Scenes, Jack's wierd accent ===
The reference to Handsome Jack of Borderlands fame needs a cite.


While it is true he sometimes says stuff "un-american", unlike Nicola Bryant, John Barrowman really is American. He grew up in Illinois. However, he is very proud of his Scottish ancestry and cultivates a kind of Scottish accent. This may have effected his pronunciation of certain words. Also, maybe he never really came across the word 'estrogen' all that very much in his past so when the word came up in the script, he may have simply pronounced it as he heard is British co-stars pronouncing it. [[Special:Contributions/71.193.152.56|71.193.152.56]] 02:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
https://web.archive.org/web/20160229111528/http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1099


Actually, John Barrowman is Scottish born, and was raised there in Glasgow until the age of eight. He adopted an American accent upon moving to the states because the other children would make fun of him. So, when he says things in a "British" manner, it is because that is his native accent.[[Special:Contributions/174.28.48.67|174.28.48.67]] 10:45, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
The real article is no longer available.  


== Simularities ==
Inside the Box: You (Still) Don't Know Jack
10.28.13 - Anthony Burch
...
That said, combining our new story (“kill this one dude named Handsome Jack or whatever he ends up being called, by the way we definitely can’t ship the game with him being called Handsome Jack because that’s just a Doctor Who reference I pulled out of thin air”) with answering the old BL1 questions was one of the trickiest narrative problems Paul and I tried to solve during preproduction.
...


Jack shares many Phyiscal simularities and previous occupations with a Character from Knights of the Old Republic 2, (Video game) Atton "Jaq" Rand. But that's only my personal opinion.
HTH,
Bsinkk


== Character History Continuity Error? ==
== Married to River Song? ==


When Jack first appears in ''Doctor Who,'' he is named "Jack Harkness." But later in ''Torchwood,'' we find that his real name is James Harper and he picked up the name "Jack Harkness" during WWII. A Captain named "Jack Harkness" went out on a mission, was killed, and James (our Jack) assumed his identity.
This page and River Song's list each other as spouses, but it is not discussed or written on the actual page that I can find - as in it's only listed in the top right - and I can't remember or find a referenced time where either someone in-universe or not said they were married or it was shown. Am I wrong and they are married/were married? or can I edit that off? (sorry if this doesn't make sense, this is my first time trying to edit a fandom wiki!!) [[User:Kindaliketeal|Kindaliketeal]] [[User talk:Kindaliketeal|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:43, April 10, 2020 (UTC)
:I'm not 100% sure because I haven't hear the story myself, but the information was added just one day after ''[[R&J (audio story)|R&J]]'' was added, so I'll assume the events happened/were mentioned in that story, but perhaps [[User:BananaClownMan]] can confirm if that's the case or not, since he was the one who added it to the page. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] ([[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|talk]]) 16:20, April 10, 2020 (UTC)
:: I can’t remember if I saw it in Jack's page, or if u read it in their timeline pages, but I definitely found out from one of them.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:37, April 10, 2020 (UTC)
::: They do have a wedding in ''R&J'', and make their vows, but the wedding is interrupted, and they drop the idea after dealing with Snorvlast. Whether or not River can be put in under partner is also questionable, because they dance around the idea of pursuing a relationship, but ultimately (I think; I'll have to relisten for proper chronology) River tells Jack that they'll have to remain friends "for now".{{User:SOTO/sig}} 17:48, April 10, 2020 (UTC)


But then, how did he come by the name "Jack Harkness" in ''Doctor Who''? Jack, after he was finished with the Doctor and Rose, was left back in early Earth and had to live through its history to get to the present. Thus, he would have assumed the identity of "Jack Harkness" '''after''' he met the Doctor and Rose.
== Name assumptions ==


Now, it is true that Jack meets the Doctor and Rose during WWII but at that point in his timeline, he's still got his hypertech and isn't trying to blend in on Earth. He's merely using that point in time because he happens to know that on Date X, Time Y, a bomb will fall on location Z. He isn't interacting with any locals and has no need to assume anybody's identity.
For reasons I outline at [[Talk:Gray Thane#Full name]], I propose that the subject out not to be referred to as Thane (as if that is clearly his sole surname) in prose. [[User:CdeDBD|DBD]] [[User talk:CdeDBD|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:12, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


So where did James really acquire the name of "Jack"? -- Rrhain
== Main image change ==
[[File:Captain Jack Harkness Last of the Time Lords.png|thumb|left]]
Not a big fan of Captain Jack's current infobox pic, it's a little too close up. I've uploaded this image to the left that I think offers a better look at the character from "Last of the Time Lords". -- [[User:MattTheNerd42|MattTheNerd42]] [[User talk:MattTheNerd42|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
:A: Pictures should, if possible, face left.<br>
:B: I think the current one ''absolutely'' fits him better. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:39, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


:I don't see why he doesn't have enough time to pick up the identity before ''[[The Empty Child]]''. I mean, his boyfriend would have gotten a bit suspicious if he had arrived suddenly with no identification and no reason to be there.
::I agree with Najawin. The current image suits him, and I think it's fine. — [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Send a space-time telegraph">@</span>]] 20:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 
:Of course, my memory is still a bit fuzzy about that episode. It's been a while. -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 12:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)>-
 
:I'm pretty sure he was interacting with the locals at the beginning of the episode, around the time that he spotted Rose. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 15:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 
::But why would he have had any need to assume the identity of Jack Harkness? He certainly wasn't going to be sticking around. He was there to con some money out of the suckers in the time machine. He planted a lure at the site of a future bomb drop, was going to get his money, and run. Why would he have gone to the trouble of finding someone who died, altering the records so that it looked like he survived, and taken over his life? -- Rrhain
 
:::Possibly so that he doesn't get in trouble with the army at the time. I seem to remember that the ship landed in a restricted area (or maybe it became restricted because the ship landed there, I don't remember). Jack would need an excuse for waiting around for other time travellers, or else he'd probably be arrested for trespassing. -<[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 19:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)>-
 
::::But he isn't staying on earth. He's staying in his ship. He wasn't even really on Earth until he noticed a time traveller (the TARDIS) and set up the decoy of the ambulance capsule. After all, they've only got two hours to do the deal before the bomb lands on it. He also uses Pompeii for these cons. -- Rrhain
 
:::::Even if he's staying on his ship (in the episode he only said he parked, not that he was living in it), he'd been there for a month, ever since he "parked" the ambulance. (The Doctor and Rose just happened to land two hours before the bomb was gonna drop.) He'd have to blend in with the locals if he wants to notice the Time Agents, who were probably trained to blend in. He also might have had other reasons we don't know about. ~AlmostSarahJane, 8 July 2009
 
(outdent) You sure that's his real name? Cuz it isn't in the article, and I've never heard of it (I am in the US, though.) From what I read in the artilce, I thought Captain James was a separate character. -- [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/user:trlkly <span style="color:#BB88FF;">Commodore Sixty-Four</span>]<sup>[[User_talk:Trlkly|<span style="color:lightgreen;">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 05:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 
:Captain James Harper was just the name he made up so he wouldn't have to say Captain Jack Harkness. [[User:AnimeNoKyouran|AnimeNoKyouran]] 01:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 
Yeah, we don't know his real name yet. he probably gave it up when becoming a Time Agent and from speech from Kiss Kiss Bang Bang it sounds as if Jack and John are used to assigning cover names, it makes them safer whereas the Doctor just gives his name because he can just Tardis-off. There's alot of stuff we don't know. I think he kept the name Jack Harkness post-Doctor because what the Doctor knew him as and he might have interest in finding Jack.
 
== His childhood ==
What we know of his childhood comes from Adam. Do we know that the memories Adam gave Jack were authentic? [[User:Jccalhoun|Jccalhoun]] 01:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 
:not really, but by the season finale, though, I strongly suspect we will know one way or another. --[[Special:Contributions/66.31.44.71|66.31.44.71]] 02:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 
==certain sections need trimming==
specifically the section dealing with ''Doctor Who'' [[Series 2 (Doctor Who)|Series 2]] and ''[[Torchwood]]'' season 2 needs trimming. far too much extra detail. (I did such an edit just now and then the computer hiccuped, losing the edit.) --[[Special:Contributions/24.61.13.0|24.61.13.0]] 03:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 
:I trimmed it just now. chiefly a virtual scene-by-scene recaps of "Utopia" and "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang". could still use a little more whittling down, though. --[[User:Stardizzy2|Stardizzy2]] 20:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Timeline crossing ==
In theory, shouldn't Jack, Tosh, Owen and possibly Suzie be in the Torchwood Hub directly underneath the TARDIS during the events of [[Boom Town]]? Should this be mentioned as an error? [[Special:Contributions/90.192.94.251|90.192.94.251]] 20:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:The [[TWN]] [[The Twilight Streets]] states that the Totchwood team (including Suzie) had been ordered to stay in the hub during the events. So no, it's not an error. --[[User:OZOO|OZOO]] 21:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::Eerie, I was just going to reply to this myself. Indeed, it's not an error. Jack didn't meet himself, so no damage was done. -- [[Special:Contributions/67.241.172.238|67.241.172.238]] 23:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
---Jack has been very careful in not crossing his own time line, he knows where he will be and thus plans where not to be when events come a calling. In [[The Empty Child]] there are technically 3 Jacks. 1 is frozen until he faces Grey [[TW]]:[[Exit Wounds]], one is working for Torchwood, and the final is hanging out with the Doctor and Rose. The only time Jack almost crossed his timeline was not his fault, his friend John Hartt gave him the ring to travel (?) and he wound up in Torchwood 1901 (?) [[TW]]:[[Exit Wounds]]. so he was not able to plan on that one, and had the possibility to cross but was wise enough to tell them to freeze him.--[[Special:Contributions/68.90.225.31|68.90.225.31]] 01:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)IkeRay
 
"Writer Russell T Davies, in the episode's commentary, called the implication of this scene "a theory" as to the Face of Boe's origins, prompting Executive Producer Julie Gardner to urge him to "stop back-pedalling" about the two characters being the same. Davies also said that after writing the scene he inserted a line in the ADR recording for "Gridlock" in which the Face of Boe calls the Doctor "old friend".[1]
 
Gardner also stated outright at the 2008 San Diego Comic Con that the Face of Boe was Jack Harkness. Similarly, '''Torchwood Declassified for Torchwood Series 2 has John Barrowman, David Tennant, and Russell T Davies explicitly stating that the Face of Boe is Jack Harkness.'''"
 
Jack Harkness' real name is not and was never James Harper except during WWII (he named himself that). It may actually have been "Sun" which you can hear in the flashback scenes of his childhood in the Boeshane Peninsula. The theory of his name fits considering that Professor "River" Song is from the same time period as Jack.--[[Special:Contributions/99.251.178.116|99.251.178.116]] 01:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:That was his father calling him "son". [[Special:Contributions/99.249.213.65|99.249.213.65]] 06:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Major revision ==
 
I believe that this article needs some drastic revision, for general structure, writing quality, and compliance with the style manual as well as basic factual accuracy, segregation of fact and supposition, and removal of redundant and irrelevant information and unnecessary detail. RL permitting, I hope to work on this in the next month, but I'm sure you know how cranky RL gets when you pay more attention to to the interwebs, so I make no promises. I would appreciate it if anyone who feels particularly invested in this article would drop me a line, so we can collaborate. --[[User:Bedawyn|Bedawyn]]
:Jack Harkness should be called Captain Jack Harkness and the episode should be called Captain Jack Harkness (TW story)
:JACKS REAL NAME IS UNKNOWN it is NOT James Harper! That is another alais. He may or may not be the face of Boe so Boe deserves a separate page. I also agree with all the statement made in the major revison comment--[[User:Gallifreyispowerful|Gallifreyispowerful]] 12:02, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
::From what I read, it never states that his real name is "James Harper", simply that it was another name that he used. There's a separate article on the [[Face of Boe]], both suggesting a possible connection. Oh, and the article should not have his "rank" at the start of it.
::In short, I'm not entirely sure what most of your comment is getting at. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] 12:36, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Images ==
 
I've uploaded two of the BBC's supplementary pics of Jack from WWII: [[:Image:Slowpathjackwithplane.jpg]] and [[:Image:Jackmilitaryportrait.jpg]]. I'd love to add one of them here, but both would be overkill, so which one? I personally think the portrait looks better, but the plane pic might be better overall, since it carries more contextual information, and I think it does a better job of getting across the message that Jack's RAF image isn't just a holdover from his con-man days. Anyone else have a preference?
 
Ideally, I'd also love to get a different "Adam" pic, one that shows boy!Jack's face, and a good in-context pic from the Lahore flashback. But alas, I can't do screencaps. --[[User:Bedawyn|Bedawyn]] 04:34, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 
== Jack and The Doctor ==
Is it just me or is Jack like a mirror image of The Doctor? He hides his real name, he has coat like the Tenth Doctor's, he can't die like The Doctor, he travels through time and space, he was stranded on Earth for a bit, he lost his family and friends in a great war. He's like a Human Doctor. And yes he is the face of boe, davies said so. The reason why he dies in gridlock is because he drains all of the time vortex out of him and into the power-grid so he dies there! -- User:PuzzleSolverer 14: 08, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
==Alonso==
 
:''Some time later, Jack was in Zagizalgul, a city in the planet Zog, drowning his sorrows in a local [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Zagizalgul_bar bar] and surrounded by various alien species, when a barman handed him a folded piece of paper which indicated that someone's name was [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Alonso_Frame Alonso]. Looking up, he saw the [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Tenth_Doctor Doctor] – making his parting goodbyes – staring back, before gesturing towards the man approaching the bar. Seizing the opportunity, Jack addressed Alonso by his first name and told him that he was psychic when asked how he knew him. The Doctor left as Jack continued to flirt with Alonso. ([http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/DW DW]: ''[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_End_of_Time_(TV_story) The End of Time]'')''
Any source confirming the continuity? It looked to me as if Jack didn't know the Doctor yet in this scene, so that it wasn't meant to be after he left Torchwood, but sometime before meeting the Doctor. I thought the Doctor was simply putting things into place so that some future event would happen.
 
It's perfectly obvious that Jack knows the Doctor in the scene. The recognition is instantaneous. And the Doctor already knew who Alonso was, so he must have already done the trip on the Titanic.
 
Does this mean that Jack will recruit Alonso for Torchwood series 4? I hope Alonso isn't gay. :-( I had enough of that with Jack and Ianto.
 
 
 
==Series 5==
 
Was Jack mentioned in series 5? I thought I got a hint of him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember the scene in  the first half of the finale - The Pandorica Opens, where River was trading for a Vortex Manipulator. The guy who sold it to her said it was 'fresh of the wrist of a handsome Time Agent.' He then complained to his helper that he wanted it 'off the wrist'. Could that have been Jack? Maybe he went back to being a Time Agent after he left Gwen?

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Jack's Timeline[[edit source]]

Shouldn't the burial of Jack in 27 AD and reappearance in the early 20th century in Exit Wounds appear not at the end of the timeline but at the beginning? I realize this means Jack crosses his own timelines but it's odd to read of his activities in Torchwood in the 1900s without acknowledgment that his team unearthed a later version of him back then.69.125.134.86talk to me 16:29, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

N-no, no it shouldn't... OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 16:40, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Policy question[[edit source]]

I have a question about policy regarding comments by actors. In explaining why Jack is immortal, John Barrowman stated:

""Now you're really getting me into the fan boy stuff here, it takes us all the way back to the first time Jack actually died and came back to life because we thought it was the time, uh.uh .the TARDIS that him brought him back to life. But it was..you know .because of the death you know from the Dalek, that all happened and it was Rose. It turns out that his blood is actually alien blood. So there's more to him than we ever thought. So it is his blood that keeps him alive, it was not time. You know there's all those questions now which NEED to be answered".

- JB, Dragon Con 2012, Starting at the 12 minute mark. [1]

Are insider comments by the actor considered noteworthy to add to the Skills and Abilities (Immortality) or Other Matters section of Jack's wiki? It appears to subvert canon and rewrite his known history.

Thanks. ~ ~ ~ ~ kpattersonraven

For future reference, these kinds of questions can be asked at The Panopticon, since it's a policy question. It will gain more attention there. Also, don't add spaces between the tildes (so ~~~~ instead of ~ ~ ~ ~), as it's unhelpful.
To answer your question though, according to T:SOURCES, only narrative sources are allowed for information on in-universe pages such as this. What John Barrowman says happened is irrelevant to the article. Anyways, read through Tardis:Valid sources, and you'll get an answer much more in-depth than I can possibly give you.
But, specifically, no, actors' comments on their characters cannot go in the main body of an in-universe page, and they cannot be used as sources for information on the character. Hope that helps!
--SOTO ☎ 06:55, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Deaths, buried under Cardiff[[edit source]]

Jack was buried underneath Cardiff in 27AD and released in 1901, which means he was buried for 1874 years.

Presuming that it takes him four minutes to be revived each time he dies of things which don't require his entire body to re-grow itself (based on how long it took him to revive after Suzie shot him), and that it takes him six minutes to suffocate (brain death occurs roughly four minutes after loss of consciousness), he dies 52.595 times per year.

That means he died 98.563.030 times while buried underneath Cardiff. --DCLM ☎ 16:38, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

So technically we can calculate how many times Jack has died. Shall we put it on the main page? perhaps as "it can be estimated that Jack has died.....Snivystorm ☎ 22:05, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
This debate was left unfinished. I'd very much like some other voices on this topic. To me, this makes sense, and I propose an edit on this topic. --DCLM ☎ 15:37, December 8, 2016 (UTC)
Honestly, all this seems to me like speculation. Can we really be sure it took him four minutes to revive after Suzie shot him? Can we really be sure it takes him the same time to come back to life every time he dies? Can we be really sure he kept coming back to life while burried? OncomingStorm12th ☎ 15:57, December 8, 2016 (UTC)
I typed all this out and there was an edit conflict. Since I'm too lazy to rewrite, I"ll just repost what I had already written.
I'm going to rule against this idea. It's never a good idea to use dates to calculate something we don't know, because you never know what DWU authors are going to do next. For all we know, some future author will say that year so-and-so lasted for four hundred days instead of 365, or something like that, which would throw off the calculations. More importantly, this whole post is based on speculation: "presuming" that it takes a certain amount of time for Jack to revive in certain circumstances. If we aren't given the exact time it takes, we can't calculate the number of deaths. Shambala108 ☎ 16:00, December 8, 2016 (UTC)

Handsome Jack[[edit source]]

Ok, I did a little digging, but wasn't able to figure out how to edit the main page to update it.

The reference to Handsome Jack of Borderlands fame needs a cite.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160229111528/http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1099

The real article is no longer available.

Inside the Box: You (Still) Don't Know Jack 10.28.13 - Anthony Burch ... That said, combining our new story (“kill this one dude named Handsome Jack or whatever he ends up being called, by the way we definitely can’t ship the game with him being called Handsome Jack because that’s just a Doctor Who reference I pulled out of thin air”) with answering the old BL1 questions was one of the trickiest narrative problems Paul and I tried to solve during preproduction. ...

HTH, Bsinkk

Married to River Song?[[edit source]]

This page and River Song's list each other as spouses, but it is not discussed or written on the actual page that I can find - as in it's only listed in the top right - and I can't remember or find a referenced time where either someone in-universe or not said they were married or it was shown. Am I wrong and they are married/were married? or can I edit that off? (sorry if this doesn't make sense, this is my first time trying to edit a fandom wiki!!) Kindaliketeal ☎ 15:43, April 10, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure because I haven't hear the story myself, but the information was added just one day after R&J was added, so I'll assume the events happened/were mentioned in that story, but perhaps User:BananaClownMan can confirm if that's the case or not, since he was the one who added it to the page. OncomingStorm12th (talk) 16:20, April 10, 2020 (UTC)
I can’t remember if I saw it in Jack's page, or if u read it in their timeline pages, but I definitely found out from one of them.BananaClownMan ☎ 16:37, April 10, 2020 (UTC)
They do have a wedding in R&J, and make their vows, but the wedding is interrupted, and they drop the idea after dealing with Snorvlast. Whether or not River can be put in under partner is also questionable, because they dance around the idea of pursuing a relationship, but ultimately (I think; I'll have to relisten for proper chronology) River tells Jack that they'll have to remain friends "for now".
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 17:48, April 10, 2020 (UTC)

Name assumptions[[edit source]]

For reasons I outline at Talk:Gray Thane#Full name, I propose that the subject out not to be referred to as Thane (as if that is clearly his sole surname) in prose. DBD ☎ 12:12, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Main image change[[edit source]]

Captain Jack Harkness Last of the Time Lords.png

Not a big fan of Captain Jack's current infobox pic, it's a little too close up. I've uploaded this image to the left that I think offers a better look at the character from "Last of the Time Lords". -- MattTheNerd42 ☎ 17:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

A: Pictures should, if possible, face left.
B: I think the current one absolutely fits him better. Najawin ☎ 18:39, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
I agree with Najawin. The current image suits him, and I think it's fine. — Fractal Doctor @ 20:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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