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In the cast section, can we add Mark Sheppard as Canton Deleware III since we know for a fact that he's in the episode? [[User:TheTARDIScontroller|TheTARDIScontroller]] 18:02, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
== Archive ==
For some reason, the archive for this talk page isn't appearing, so here's a link to it: [[Talk:The Impossible Astronaut/Archive 1]]. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:57, February 29, 2020 (UTC)
: The problem with the archive was the lack of the dab term in the Archive's name; it's now fixed, and the archive page is showing up. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] ([[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|talk]]) 22:29, February 29, 2020 (UTC)
::Well there we go. I (and other admins) have had so many problems with trying to archive these pages that I didn't look too far for the solution. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:40, February 29, 2020 (UTC)
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Interesting point, Mark Sheppard is the real world son of Morgan Sheppard (older Canton Deleware III). [[User:Mike London UK|Mike London UK]] 19:15, April 23, 2011 (UTC) Mike_London_UK 20:14, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
== Silence in 2011 ==


::Oh I know... Both of them voiced characters in my favorite video game, The Conduit. Mark Sheppard voiced the main character, Michael Ford, and his father voiced Micheal Ford's enemy. [[User:TheTARDIScontroller|TheTARDIScontroller]] 21:37, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
I was watching it again a few days ago and realised the first time Amy sees a Silence is in 2011. And the Doctor doesn't seem surprised that she sees it. Should this be noted somewhere in the Notes, or is this not appropriate on this page?


== Episode two airdate ==
[[User:Lmb02|Lmb02]] 03:01, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


BBC has confirmed that the seoond episode will air on 30 April.  Can we please put that rumor to rest?  Please refer to series six talk page for details. Thanks!  -- [[User:Ripmssmith|Rest In Peace Sarah Jane]] \ [[User_talk:Ripmssmith|Talk to me!]] 18:22, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">Probably not worth mentioning. Perhaps he doesn't seem surprised because he doesn't see it, or if he has then he's forgotten about it. [[User:BenPaddon|BenPaddon]] <sup>[[User talk:BenPaddon|talk to me]]</sup> 07:41, December 4, 2011 (UTC)</p>
===lover and enemy===
could somebody change "impossible astronaut" so that it links ot the River Song page? Thanks!


== Air date ==
== "And then I forgot" ==


I can't edit the page, but it says aired on April 21st, which freaked me out for a minute since today is the 22nd, but everywhere else says it is airing for the first time tomorrow, the 23rd. [[User:Roleyus|Roleyus]] 08:19, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
When Amy is in the restroom and talks with the Silent, she recalls seeing it at the lake and said "and then I forgot", a line spoken by Donna while inside the computer in [[Forest of the Dead]]. When I heard it, I tought the stories were linked... but I was wrong. Still, is it worth mentionning in the continuity? Dr Moon's hability to erase memory.


:It IS out today... http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b010tb7q/Doctor_Who_Series_6_The_Impossible_Astronaut/ --[[User:Tyw7|Tyw7]] 23:28, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">Nope. They're entirely unrelated. [[User:BenPaddon|BenPaddon]] <sup>[[User talk:BenPaddon|talk to me]]</sup> 07:41, December 4, 2011 (UTC)</p>


==TV story==
== Enemy ==
Can someone add '(tv story)' to the title? [[User:Bluriteboy|Bluriteboy]] 16:15, April 23, 2011 (UTC)


:Why? It will remain as The Impossible Astronaut unless there is something else in the episode called The Impossible Astronaut. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 16:17, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
Should the astronaut really be listed as an enemy? In the 60s, she didn't do anything even remotely malicious, and in 2011 she wasn't in control of her actions, didn't kill the real Doctor, and did exactly what the Doctor wanted her to do.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 07:34, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


== Error ==
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">The astronaut could, and probably should, refer to the suit rather than its occupant. Either way, the suit poses a credible threat during both parts of this story and deserves crediting as an enemy. [[User:BenPaddon|BenPaddon]] <sup>[[User talk:BenPaddon|talk to me]]</sup> 07:42, December 4, 2011 (UTC)</p>


There's an error in the Story Notes section. Here it is : ''A prequel for this '''tory''' was released on the offcial BBC website.'' I am presuming this is talking about the story... unless this is about the Conservative Party. (Canada) [[User:Kajalamorth|K'jal'mar]] ([[User talk:Kajalamorth| The talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Kajalamorth| Contribs]]) 17:17, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
== River as a child ==


== Spaceship ==
The article states that rumor is false, but it is actually true.  We do see and hear River as a child.  Can somebody make that change? [[Special:Contributions/214.13.69.132|214.13.69.132]]<sup>[[User talk:214.13.69.132#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:21, February 15, 2012 (UTC)


The spaceship in this episode is the same as the one in The Lodger (Season 5)
==Voiceover==


Where the article states "The version supplied for broadcast in the United States, Australia, and Canada is the first episode of Doctor Who to have a voiceover introductory sequence before the main titles, with the voice of Amy explaining her relationship with the Doctor", isn't this wrong?


http://www.slantmagazine.com/images/house/television/doctorwho511_3.jpg
Wouldn't the first episode with a voice over be Rose's in ''Army of Ghosts''???
[[User:Geek Mythology|Geek Mythology]] <sup>[[User talk:Geek Mythology|talk to me]]</sup> 17:13, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


[[User:Deveducer|Deveducer]] 18:30, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
:I think it'd be a fine line.
:This is the first to have a ''introductory'' voice over.
:Rose's V/O in ''Army of Ghosts'' was more of a narrative point, one which I think was in the episode no matter where it was aired. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 17:17, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


== Myths section ==
Should we maybe change it to say it was the first episode to have a voiceover specifically added for international copies? --[[User:TemporalSpleen|TemporalSpleen]] <sup>[[User talk:TemporalSpleen|talk to me]]</sup> 17:20, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


OK, how can we be sure that the "We will see River Song as a child" statement is really false ? The little girl in this episode could be the young River... [[User:Nafoute|Nafoute]] 18:45, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
That would make more sense to me.
[[User:Geek Mythology|Geek Mythology]] <sup>[[User talk:Geek Mythology|talk to me]]</sup> 17:30, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


:Umm then she would have been killed before her adventure even started... unless Steven found a way to bring her back --<font face="Kristen ITC" color="Green">[[:wikipedia:User:Tyw7#p|''Tyw7'']]</font>&nbsp;&nbsp;([[:wikipedia:User:Tyw7/t|☎ Contact me!]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tyw7|Contributions]]) &nbsp;&nbsp;''Changing the world one edit at a time!'' 23:37, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
== Americans' speaking UK English ==


::But the trailer for episode 2 starts with Amy apologizing to the little girl saying "I'm sorry. I didn't mean to shoot you" accompanied by a new shot of the girl opening the visor of the helmet showing a bullet hole in a position that shows the shot missed.
Could the Americans' speaking with British style talking be an example of the TARDIS's translation circuits? Seeing as the average viewer speaks in that manner and all the main characters do as well. [[User:Jnzooger|Jnzooger]] [[User talk:Jnzooger|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:30, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
::[[User:Jobe1986|Jobe1986]] 00:06, April 24, 2011 (UTC)


== The Co-ordinates.  ==
:: The TARDIS doesn't really translate for dialect/accent like that when they go to Scotland, so why would it for America? [[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:06, February 22, 2013 (UTC)


Anyone else googled the co-ordinates? Sent me to Ottowa, Canada. Maybe this should be in the "Continuity" section :/
== The Color of the infamous bow tie ==


I'm pretty sure that the bow tie he's wearing to his death is the same one he's got in the rest of the episode, just viewed under a different light. (As a clue, it's not quite on par with the rolled up sleeves.) I'd rather somebody else agreed before changing it, though. [[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:37, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


== Diner the same as Ashildr's/Me's Tardis in Season 9 ==


[[User:Jento113|Jento113]] 22:43, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
The diner where everyone met, including the n0n-aged 11th doctor, looks like the same diner that Ashildr and Clara Oswald attached to their Tardis in the 12th Doctor 9th season TV show, "Hell Bent." It is not known if there is a canon connection, but shouldn't this be listed in an incidental manner on this page?
*I get Oljeto Rd, Oljeto-Monument Valley, Utah. --[[User:Witoki|Witoki]] 22:48, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
{{unsigned|Accessdpro}}
**http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=37%C2%B0+0'+38%22+N,+110%C2%B0+14'+34%22+W&aq=&sll=42.27226,-71.80604&sspn=0.00832,0.021136&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16 --[[User:Witoki|Witoki]] 22:48, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
:Does the Doctor not mention that it looks familiar in Hell Bent? [[User:CaptainKaibyo|CaptainKaibyo]] [[User talk:CaptainKaibyo|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
*Just re-checked, the hyphen in the middle sent me a couple of thousand miles away xD [[User:Jento113|Jento113]] 23:05, April 23, 2011 (UTC) http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUK365&q=Oljeto-Monument+Valley,+Utah+to+ottawa,+canada&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl


== Skip ==
== Uncredited cast ==


Hey did anyone else notice a little jump or skip at exactly 18:21? Maybe it's just my version of the episode but it seems deliberate, there's even what sounds like a spooky music cue exactly after it happens. Given the powers of the Silence, and the time skips we saw in "The Lodger" I think it's possible this could be on purpose. Can anyone confirm/deny whether or not there's an actual skip in the episode? [[User:FixtheFernback|FixtheFernback]] 23:19, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
* Young Couple - Alexus Koors & Benjamin Wright
Please do not return to the main page until a source is found confirming this credit. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:57, June 25, 2017 (UTC)


:There is no skip. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b010tb7q/Doctor_Who_Series_6_The_Impossible_Astronaut/--<font face="Kristen ITC" color="Green">[[:wikipedia:User:Tyw7#p|''Tyw7'']]</font>&nbsp;&nbsp;([[:wikipedia:User:Tyw7/t|☎ Contact me!]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tyw7|Contributions]]) &nbsp;&nbsp;''Changing the world one edit at a time!'' 23:40, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
== Amy's Book ==
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::Oh darn. Just a coincidence then I guess. Funny, it really did look like it could have been purposefully inserted. [[User:FixtheFernback|FixtheFernback]] 00:44, April 24, 2011 (UTC)


== Pregnacy ==
The Brilliant Book 2012 reveals that the book Amy is reading is 'Myths & Historical Impossibilities'. I feel this ought to be mentioned somewhere on the page, but I'm not sure where? [[User:CaptainKaibyo|CaptainKaibyo]] [[User talk:CaptainKaibyo|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
So shouldn't the fact that amy is pregnant be added to continuty also amy remembering the previous times she saw the aliens isnt a production error it's clearly delibrate possibly from her pregnacy (if it isnt rory's and if that's true 47 MORE YEARS!)
 
== Continuity - River Song ==
 
On the Page it says:
 
"River Song suggests in this episode that her and the Doctor are not meeting in random order, as has been implied before, but are actually meeting in the opposite order. This has been true so far, as every episode she has been in has been earlier in her timeline than the one before it"
 
I think it's necessary to add clearly, that her statement only applies to the on-screen events, but not to the off-screen events that are mentioned in the story. If they always met in the opposite order, which means that one always is older and remembers thing while the other one keeps getting younger and does not know any of the events, there could be none commom memories.
 
The Doctor: Library, Angels, Pandorica, Astronaut (909)-Astronaut (1,103)
 
River Song: Astronaut(1,103-then 909), Pandorica, Angels, Library (Death)
 
I think this is the order in which they experience the meetings so far (on-screen). But we have to add the mentioned offscreen events "Easter Island and Jim the Fish". At their first meeting in the Impossible Astronaut they both have entries in their diaries that mention those events. Therefore they had to meet off-screen, when the doctor was between the age of 909 an 1,103 and River was younger than in this story. Afterwards they both aged and met again in the Impossible Astronaut. They both remember these events so they have to happen in a the order "Easter Island and Jim the Fish" and then the Astronaut for River and the Doctor. It is obvious, that this is not the oppositional order but the same direction they went in their timelines. This only happend because of the meeting with the older version of the doctor. With the younger one (909) River's statement is in conformity. Hope it's understandable what I mean.[[Special:Contributions/95.208.116.246|95.208.116.246]] 13:31, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
* However, in this episode, River has the vortex manipulator she would have received after Pandorica/Big Bang. By Angels/Flesh, she no longer has the manipulator, leading me to believe it goes Pandorica/Big Bang, Astronaut/Moon, Angels/Flesh, Library/Forest. See River's Talk page for my explanation in full. --[[User:Witoki|Witoki]] 14:19, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
** In this case her statement would be wrong, too. I assumend that it applies at least to the on-screen story. But if you're right (and I don't argue about that, since it's not my point), my whole explanation about the off-screen thing wouldn't be necessary to show that her statement ist wrong as the both would have Pandorica/Big Bang as a common event (which shouldn't exist according to an oppositional order).[[Special:Contributions/95.208.116.246|95.208.116.246]] 14:44, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Continuty-Three Knocks ==
 
Shouldn't it be added that the doctor was shot three times (knocks)?
*The prophecy was four knocks, not three, and it already came true in ''[[The End of Time (TV story)|The End of Time]]''.

Latest revision as of 15:59, 30 June 2023

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Archive[[edit source]]

For some reason, the archive for this talk page isn't appearing, so here's a link to it: Talk:The Impossible Astronaut/Archive 1. Shambala108 ☎ 20:57, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

The problem with the archive was the lack of the dab term in the Archive's name; it's now fixed, and the archive page is showing up. OncomingStorm12th (talk) 22:29, February 29, 2020 (UTC)
Well there we go. I (and other admins) have had so many problems with trying to archive these pages that I didn't look too far for the solution. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 22:40, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

Silence in 2011[[edit source]]

I was watching it again a few days ago and realised the first time Amy sees a Silence is in 2011. And the Doctor doesn't seem surprised that she sees it. Should this be noted somewhere in the Notes, or is this not appropriate on this page?

Lmb02 03:01, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Probably not worth mentioning. Perhaps he doesn't seem surprised because he doesn't see it, or if he has then he's forgotten about it. BenPaddon talk to me 07:41, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

lover and enemy[[edit source]]

could somebody change "impossible astronaut" so that it links ot the River Song page? Thanks!

"And then I forgot"[[edit source]]

When Amy is in the restroom and talks with the Silent, she recalls seeing it at the lake and said "and then I forgot", a line spoken by Donna while inside the computer in Forest of the Dead. When I heard it, I tought the stories were linked... but I was wrong. Still, is it worth mentionning in the continuity? Dr Moon's hability to erase memory.

Nope. They're entirely unrelated. BenPaddon talk to me 07:41, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Enemy[[edit source]]

Should the astronaut really be listed as an enemy? In the 60s, she didn't do anything even remotely malicious, and in 2011 she wasn't in control of her actions, didn't kill the real Doctor, and did exactly what the Doctor wanted her to do.Icecreamdif talk to me 07:34, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

The astronaut could, and probably should, refer to the suit rather than its occupant. Either way, the suit poses a credible threat during both parts of this story and deserves crediting as an enemy. BenPaddon talk to me 07:42, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

River as a child[[edit source]]

The article states that rumor is false, but it is actually true. We do see and hear River as a child. Can somebody make that change? 214.13.69.132talk to me 08:21, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Voiceover[[edit source]]

Where the article states "The version supplied for broadcast in the United States, Australia, and Canada is the first episode of Doctor Who to have a voiceover introductory sequence before the main titles, with the voice of Amy explaining her relationship with the Doctor", isn't this wrong?

Wouldn't the first episode with a voice over be Rose's in Army of Ghosts??? Geek Mythology talk to me 17:13, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think it'd be a fine line.
This is the first to have a introductory voice over.
Rose's V/O in Army of Ghosts was more of a narrative point, one which I think was in the episode no matter where it was aired. --Tangerineduel / talk 17:17, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Should we maybe change it to say it was the first episode to have a voiceover specifically added for international copies? --TemporalSpleen talk to me 17:20, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

That would make more sense to me. Geek Mythology talk to me 17:30, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Americans' speaking UK English[[edit source]]

Could the Americans' speaking with British style talking be an example of the TARDIS's translation circuits? Seeing as the average viewer speaks in that manner and all the main characters do as well. Jnzooger ☎ 17:30, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

The TARDIS doesn't really translate for dialect/accent like that when they go to Scotland, so why would it for America? ComicBookGoddess ☎ 07:06, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

The Color of the infamous bow tie[[edit source]]

I'm pretty sure that the bow tie he's wearing to his death is the same one he's got in the rest of the episode, just viewed under a different light. (As a clue, it's not quite on par with the rolled up sleeves.) I'd rather somebody else agreed before changing it, though. ComicBookGoddess ☎ 00:37, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Diner the same as Ashildr's/Me's Tardis in Season 9[[edit source]]

The diner where everyone met, including the n0n-aged 11th doctor, looks like the same diner that Ashildr and Clara Oswald attached to their Tardis in the 12th Doctor 9th season TV show, "Hell Bent." It is not known if there is a canon connection, but shouldn't this be listed in an incidental manner on this page? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Accessdpro (talk • contribs) .

Does the Doctor not mention that it looks familiar in Hell Bent? CaptainKaibyo ☎ 15:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Uncredited cast[[edit source]]

  • Young Couple - Alexus Koors & Benjamin Wright

Please do not return to the main page until a source is found confirming this credit. Amorkuz ☎ 18:57, June 25, 2017 (UTC)

Amy's Book[[edit source]]

The Brilliant Book 2012 reveals that the book Amy is reading is 'Myths & Historical Impossibilities'. I feel this ought to be mentioned somewhere on the page, but I'm not sure where? CaptainKaibyo ☎ 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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