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| == Unknown == | | == Rename == |
| | I agree with [[User:Tybort|Tybort]]'s suggestion in the rename template that the story dab on this page should be changed to (The Impossible Astronaut) – the [[Virgin New Adventures]] have already given us many examples of characters who technically appeared first in the DWM prequels but are nonetheless disambiguated by the novel title; [[Luigi (Blood Harvest)]] is one example I found with a few seconds of searching. The same precedent should apply here, and to the extent that the current text of the rules doesn't match this longstanding practice, the rules [[Forum:Temporary forums/T:BOUND Reform|should be updated]]. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:01, 24 August 2023 (UTC) |
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| Not much to say really. We should implement it as "unknown" because the credit is usually a rank or office. I expect this character will be named in part two, but I'll be useful for future reference.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 20:16, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
| | :I too agree with this suggestion. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]] 15:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC) |
| | | :: This has been open for a long while, and the VNA precedent is inarguable, now it's been laid out. Performing rename. To be clear, the ruling here is that these sorts of short-form prequels, unless they constitute a narrative that could stand on its own, should be considered part of their parent stories when it comes to dabbing elements in them.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 03:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC) |
| == Infobox name ==
| | ::: I agree with the ruling ''per se'', but for the record "unless they constitute a narrative that could stand on its own" doesn't feel like the right standard. Most of these things ''could'' easily be covered as standalone if the longer thing didn't exist. It's all about presentation. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC) |
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| It should be "Little girl". Across this wiki, more page have their title (i.e policeman, vicar, little girl, woman) as their name in the infobox. The name in the infobox should be the page name (bar anything in brackets). [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 20:16, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Erm...why? Because "unknown" suggest we lack knowledge. Yeah, little girl, that's an individual's name. See [[Coolie (The Talons of Weng-Chiang)]] for an example of this implemented.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 20:20, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| ::Because that's their name given in Doctor Who, and that's the name that should be given in the infobox. See:
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| *[[Vicar (Family of Blood)]]
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| *[[Vicar (Father's Day)]]
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| *[[Vicar (Remembrance of the Daleks)]]
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| *[[Vicar (The Next Doctor)]]
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| *[[Vicar (The Runaway Bride)]]
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| *[[Little Girl (The Runaway Bride)]]
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| *[[Man (Turn Left)]]
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| *[[Woman (Turn Left)]]
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| *[[Woman (Last of the Time Lords)]]
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| These are just a small amount of the page where an unnamed character has had their title as the infobox page name. It make sense to keep it that way. That is there name given in the DWU, so that's the name we give them. Not putting their given name in the infobox is like create the page called "Unknown Little Girl" [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 20:26, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| No, its not there name in Dr Who, just in the credits. Your only real argument is: this is what's going on at the moment. So, yes, it would take a while to implement. However, it will be good once it's finished.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 20:29, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Regarding killing the Doctor ==
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| After seeing next weeks episode (which by the way I have) you may be under the same impression as me that the little girl did not actually kill the Doctor - surley something like tht should not be put in till we actually have confirmation it was her who did it![[Special:Contributions/91.108.5.196|91.108.5.196]] 18:28, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| We place as much information as we know from the stories that have been broadcast, if something changes in the next episode then we will just have to go back and sort things out. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 18:31, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| My point is, even from the story, we dont know it was the little girl - the fact is we didnt see the face of the shooter... [[Special:Contributions/91.108.5.196|91.108.5.196]] 18:34, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| We don't have any info to the contrary.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 19:30, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| Then remove the information, otherwise it is speculation, and classified as incorrect until canonical confirmation. [[User:Rassilon of Old|<font color="lightbrown">'''Rassilon of Old'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Rassilon of Old|Talk]] - [[w:c:ttff:Teen_Titans_Fan_Fiction_Wiki|TTFF]] - [[w:c:avatar:Fanon: Avatar: The Legend of Teru|Teru]]) </sup> 14:22, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Split page? ==
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| I know we have so little info but from what it looks like the little girl and the spaceman (or impossible astronaut) are two different enitiy's and should be seperated on this wiki as stated before there is no proof that it was the little girl that killed the doctor but the spaceman did! Lastly all we know so far is that she's wearing a spacesuit like the the one that the person (*coughcough*river*coughcough*) that killed the doctor did not that she is or wearing the one!
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| : I also suggest we keep this page solely for the girl, but create another page for the actual suit, as it is a piece of technology, not the same entity as the girl. [[User:D0ct0r11|D0ct0r11]] 16:13, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| Since the girl was in the suit for a time then we should have all that info on the page, but obviously now we know she escaped the suit and it can move on its own then we shouldn't have the 2011 info there. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 16:23, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Beach Scene ==
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| Hi, I'm not really a contributer so feel free to ignore everything I say but I was wondering if you should add an image or a mention that when the 1,103 Doctor is on the beach and tells the Astronaut his know's who they are, their flesh seems to be rotted during the split second it lifts up the helmet Visor. Just incase you didn't notice and wanted to mention it in the article. [[Special:Contributions/92.14.123.98|92.14.123.98]] 18:02, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Locked? ==
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| Why is this page locked? There is no reason whatsoever for it to be locked! I don't know why admins feel they have right now to do what they like -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 18:20, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Too much speculation was being added, so admins decided to lock it 24 hours. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 18:23, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| This was a group decision from 3 admins, the page is a target of speculation and it is almost impossible to edit the page for speculatory edits. The page has been locked for 24 hours, if you want to add anything to the page please write your proposed entry on this talk page and we can then place it in the article. Thank you. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 18:22, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Add video ==
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| Can we add this video of the "regeneration"? http://youtu.be/gttPZV3icHE <font face="Kristen ITC" color="Green">[[:wikipedia:User:Tyw7#p|''Tyw7'']]</font> ([[:wikipedia:User:Tyw7/t|☎ Contact me!]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tyw7|Contributions]]) ''Changing the world one edit at a time!'' 19:20, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| Nope. It's against [[Tardis:Video policy]].----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 19:22, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| ==Proposed revision==
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| This '''girl''' contacted [[Richard Nixon]] for help, as she was scared of the "[[the Silence|Monsters]]" and believed that "the spaceman" was trying to eat her. She told Nixon the words "Jefferson Adams Hamilton", leading Nixon to believe she was a boy, but the [[Eleventh Doctor]] helped them to discover that these were the names of street names, the only three in the same place together in Florida, at that time the only place that spacemen could be found.
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| She was later found by [[The Doctor]], but was shot at by [[Amy Pond]], who recognised the space suit, and believed that the girl had/would at some point kill the doctor.
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| ([[DW]]: ''[[The Impossible Astronaut]]'')
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| Three months later she again encountered Amy, who had only shot a hole in the suit's visor, in what appeared to be her bedroom at the [[Graystark Hall Children's Home]]. After Amy was kidnapped by the Silence, she was able to free herself from the suit, which had been fitted with Alien technology to act as a life support.
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| Six months later, her deteriorating health caused her to [[Regeneration|regenerate]]. ([[DW]]: ''[[Day of the Moon]]'')
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| == Shooting ==
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| Why is Amy shooting the girl in the suit listed as being in the Day of the Moon and not Impossible Astronaut?
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| [[User:Geek Mythology|Geek Mythology]] 20:46, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Home Planet ==
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| You cant put her home planet as Earth we dont even no who her parents are seeing as the admins have locked there's nothing we can't do anything about it i understand the point of locking it but not for 24 hours we have to change it to Earth (Seen Last) [[User:The mysterious|The mysterious]] 10:03, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Near-human ==
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| Until we know for sure, can the page at least be edited to display the little girl's species as [[Near-human]]? [[User:Witoki|Witoki]] 15:39, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| I've cleared up the Earth and near-human issues. If there are any more, please make them clear here. Thanks.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 16:25, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Near-Time Lord? ==
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| Perhaps a bit out there... but surely she should be Near-Time Lady? Like the Doctor has said, the Time Lords came first, and regeneration is nothing to do with Humans, but Time Lords. So wouldn't it actually be more accurate to say she is "Near Time Lady"? --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 16:08, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| [[Near-Human]] is just a term that refers to the many races that look identical to Humans, which the little girl clearly is. Gallifreyans are mentioned on the near-human page as probably being the first near-humans. It is possible that it would make more sense to use the term [[near-timelord]] or [[near-gallifreyan]] universally on this wiki, as Timelords did come first, but for now, the term that is used here is near-human.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 17:27, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| It is not a case of "what came first", but what is recognisable. Near-human is a term that can apply to races like the [[Morestran]]s or [[Tigellan]]s. It does indeed apply to this character.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 17:31, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| Since this wiki is written from an in-universe perspective, it might make more sense to refer to Morestrans, Tegellans, and Humans, as near-timelord, since the Time Lords came first, and had a much greater impact on the universe than the Humans did. The Time Lords are pretty recognizable, since the Doctor has been in almost every episode.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 17:35, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| Not really. A think you'd recognise a human more, you know, because that's what you are. Additionally, Morestrans and T<u>i</u>gellans show no sign of Time Lord biology. They are more human-like than Time Lord-like by a long shot.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 17:40, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| Why aren't we just putting [[humanoid]] down, its exactly what we know really. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 17:50, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| Humanoid fair enough, if a bit vague.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 17:58, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| Either that or have it blank, that better shows what we really know about her. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 18:04, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| She is quite clearly near-human. Is a Time Lord not near-human? I would consider them so. Supposing you agree, it makes her near-human any way you look at it. I reinstated the near-human line as it screws with the formatting, but please do continue to discuss.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 18:18, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| When I was talking about changing it to near-timelord, I was mainly thinking about the Doctor's comments in ''The Beast Below'' when he told Amy that she looked Time Lord, because they came first. Either way, the way the term is used now, the little girl is definetly a human or a near-human.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 20:20, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| == She is River Song/Melody ==
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| I think that this page should be merged with the page [[River Song]] as we now know that she is River. The fact that they are the same person explains why River was imprisoned for killing 'a very great man', which she did as a little girl in the spacesuit, killing [[The Doctor]] . (Grey Beret)
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