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 :: I agree with Whosethebestwho. There is no indication that the Doctor wished for his own death. He may have been willing to die to "save the day", but that's a big difference from wishful suicide. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:28, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
+Since the presumption is that suicide is inspired by losing Rose, its worth considering that we dont really know what was going through his mind when he sent her off with the Meta-Crisis Doctor. On the surface it looks like he was more reserved, but the more human Doctor could tell her he loved her (though even that is a private moment, shared only in effect with The Doctor, Donna and the audiance.) The next level down I think he knows she needs someone who can say it, even though he loves her and she him, she needs a more human him. Next level down he not only knows this, but knows "Handy" will say it, so purposely does not say it himself to make her believe "Handy" will make her happier. On the next level down, what he wished at the beginning of the episode is complicated by the creation of "Handy." He has to do something with him, and he probably knows he cannot be his own keeper any more than The Master could tolerate it. On the next level, he might have realized that he as a human could never get over Rose, where as the full Timelord would probably outlive her, and have a dfferent perspective. If the choice was either he or "Handy" would get Rose, "Handy" might suffer more for the loss. Or he might factor in what he told Rose when they met Sarah Jane Smith, that watching her age and die while he went on would be painful. Or ultimately, he might realize that he will suffer more for her loss, but make the sacrifice so that both of them might be as happy as they might. What did he really think? There is no way of being sure, particularly as we have Donna doing some of the explaining.
+And none of that takes into account that he already knows that he is going to lose Donna.
+If we don't understand what the Doctor was really thinking when he gave up Rose, I don't think its possible to have any confidence in a decision for suicide. We have seen him many times tell captors to kill him. Some recklessness with his own life is a basic part of who he is, and was always part of the explanation of why he fled Galifrey to live a far riskier life among the stars.[[User:Phil Stone|Phil Stone]] [[User talk:Phil Stone|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:34, June 27, 2013 (UTC)