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[[User:Mysterious Editor|Mysterious Editor]] [[User talk:Mysterious Editor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:26, April 16, 2018 (UTC)
[[User:Mysterious Editor|Mysterious Editor]] [[User talk:Mysterious Editor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:26, April 16, 2018 (UTC)
== Lists and edit wars ==
Regarding the unfortunate incident on this page, there are several points to consider. First of all, all users have equal right to edit the page, whether they have a username or prefer to edit under an IP. Secondly, the final determination of what is a good and a bad edit comes from the policies. [[Tardis:Administrators]] are responsible for ensuring that policies are followed. This means that an IP should not be trusted less just because they are an IP. However, it is a good indication of who follows policies and who doesn't when only one side of the argument cites a policy in their favour, while the other side admits that it is them who violates the policy.
Secondly, let me remind you that [[Tardis:Edit wars are good for absolutely nothing]]. No one can be forced into an edit war. If one thinks they are engaged in an edit war and continues undoing edits, they have admitted their own guilt and have no one else to blame. In all situations, talking on a talk page yields better results than fighting. Like most wars, edit wars have no winners, just blocked unhappy users.
But an even more serious offence is [[Tardis:No personal attacks|threatening other editors]]. Personal attacks are not tolerated in principle. But direct threats like "Now you must pay the price" will earn an immediate block. It does not matter that an editor was impotent to execute their threat from the very beginning. It does not matter that the threat was vague. And it does not matter why it was issued. Editors who communicate using threats are not welcome in this community. Period.
Now, for the matter at hand. To list, or not to list. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] was right to delete the list. As explained at [[Tardis:Lists]],
{{quote|[E]ase of creation does not mean that [lists] should be over used. Especially within in-universe articles, it's often better to find a way to present the material in normal paragraphs.||Tardis:Lists}}
In this case, the material was already there, meaning that a list was simply redundant. In fact, lists are considered so undesirable that there is a special template {{tlx|Too listy}} asking to get rid of them (click on it to see how it looks).
The documentation for it provides further reasons why lists should be avoided
{{quote|Bulleted lists should be avoided, particularly on in-universe pages. One very good reason for this is that bulleted lists do not display properly on wikiamobile, the skin seen when using mobile devices.||Template:Too listy}}
This is the policy. Policies can be changed, but until such a change takes effect, [[Tardis:You are bound by current policy]]. Thus, the list of Prime Ministers will be removed and should not be reinstated.
One final note. This is an old wiki with many devoted editors. If you need particular info, chances are, it already exists, though it may not be where you expected. The information on prime ministers, more detailed than the proposed list, can be found at [[Template:Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom]]. This template is also present at the bottom of the page for each individual prime minister, so that it is easy to navigate between them. And, not surprisingly, the same template is also present at the bottom of this page. Thus, the list was doubly redundant.
To summarise, please use talk pages. They provide for a much better communication medium than the "one-liners" accompanying edit reverts. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:42, April 16, 2018 (UTC)

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Harold Saxon's Party

It is never state that Harold Saxon leads a coalition government. It is stated that MPs from other parties are serving in Saxon's government, but that they jumped ship to Saxon. My guess would be that Saxon forms a 'Harold Saxon for PM' party (or perhaps takes over a smaller party) and then following his popularity he makes other MPs, fearful for their seats, jump to his party. I've edited it appropriately.– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.68.168.206 (talk).

Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

Is this actually stated anywhere in-universe? Or is the position just called "British Prime Minister" or indeed neither of these? "Prime Minister of the United Kingdom" is the title of the Wikipedia page at least, but we don't always follow how Wikipedia names things.

I agree with that, but if you think of the President of the United States it's like saying, American President which doesn't sound as it should. But the in-universe you do make a point but we haven't hear neither of these in the past 5 years of Doctor Who but both of them where used in the Last of the Time Lords for Harold Saxon. The mysterious 17:47, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

That's not to say that the leader of the United Kingdom's position hasn't been name checked in other sources, text based sources, audio, comic, and any other stuff that hasn't been broadcast in the past 5 years.
President of the United States though, I think has been named. --Tangerineduel / talk 18:12, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Acting PM

Would the "by default" role of Jocrassa Slitheen count as prime minister or not? Did the episode go into detail as to whether acting prime minister "counted"? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort (talk page) 00:42, September 5, 2011 (UTC)]]

LIST

Ok I was busy adding sources to the list I created, like I was asked to. But then I went back and it seems someone else had already started an edit war. Here's what I came up with. Obviously the page has now been locked, but it'd be nice if someone could add this in.

List of known Prime Ministers

Mysterious Editor ☎ 17:26, April 16, 2018 (UTC)

Lists and edit wars

Regarding the unfortunate incident on this page, there are several points to consider. First of all, all users have equal right to edit the page, whether they have a username or prefer to edit under an IP. Secondly, the final determination of what is a good and a bad edit comes from the policies. Tardis:Administrators are responsible for ensuring that policies are followed. This means that an IP should not be trusted less just because they are an IP. However, it is a good indication of who follows policies and who doesn't when only one side of the argument cites a policy in their favour, while the other side admits that it is them who violates the policy.

Secondly, let me remind you that Tardis:Edit wars are good for absolutely nothing. No one can be forced into an edit war. If one thinks they are engaged in an edit war and continues undoing edits, they have admitted their own guilt and have no one else to blame. In all situations, talking on a talk page yields better results than fighting. Like most wars, edit wars have no winners, just blocked unhappy users.

But an even more serious offence is threatening other editors. Personal attacks are not tolerated in principle. But direct threats like "Now you must pay the price" will earn an immediate block. It does not matter that an editor was impotent to execute their threat from the very beginning. It does not matter that the threat was vague. And it does not matter why it was issued. Editors who communicate using threats are not welcome in this community. Period.

Now, for the matter at hand. To list, or not to list. OncomingStorm12th was right to delete the list. As explained at Tardis:Lists,

[E]ase of creation does not mean that [lists] should be over used. Especially within in-universe articles, it's often better to find a way to present the material in normal paragraphs. [Tardis:Lists [src]]

In this case, the material was already there, meaning that a list was simply redundant. In fact, lists are considered so undesirable that there is a special template {{Too listy}} asking to get rid of them (click on it to see how it looks). The documentation for it provides further reasons why lists should be avoided

Bulleted lists should be avoided, particularly on in-universe pages. One very good reason for this is that bulleted lists do not display properly on wikiamobile, the skin seen when using mobile devices. [Template:Too listy [src]]

This is the policy. Policies can be changed, but until such a change takes effect, Tardis:You are bound by current policy. Thus, the list of Prime Ministers will be removed and should not be reinstated.

One final note. This is an old wiki with many devoted editors. If you need particular info, chances are, it already exists, though it may not be where you expected. The information on prime ministers, more detailed than the proposed list, can be found at Template:Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom. This template is also present at the bottom of the page for each individual prime minister, so that it is easy to navigate between them. And, not surprisingly, the same template is also present at the bottom of this page. Thus, the list was doubly redundant.

To summarise, please use talk pages. They provide for a much better communication medium than the "one-liners" accompanying edit reverts. Amorkuz ☎ 18:42, April 16, 2018 (UTC)

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