Talk:Walter the Worm (novel)

Validity

The character, Early Bird, first appears in Dr. First. To my knowledge, this was his first appearance in any Mr Men universe story. Toy Story Fan 09:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Ooh, this is possibly an extremely interesting find! How knowledgeable are you when it comes to Mr. Men? The type of role the Early Bird gets in Dr. First means it could have feasibly appeared in any of the existing Mr. Men universe stories. It might be quite difficult to verify Dr. First as the first appearance given the amount of online information on the subject (just look at the Mr. Men Wiki's page on Doctor Who!). Borisashton ☎ 10:57, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Dear god that page is just so... laughable.

Epsilon📯 📂

11:02, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I have access to every Little Miss book and a decent number of Mr Men books. I will check through what I can access when I have the time to and relay the information back here. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 07:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Regardless if the character appeared first in the DWU crossover I personally do not think that this page should exist. The character of the Early Bird was clearly intended to be a Mr. Men character rather than a DWU character. RadMatter ☎ 09:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

The page should exist, however, even if that were the case. A story which exploits a license to a character who debuted in a DWU story, but fails Rule 4, should be covered as {{invalid}}.

However, that is, anyway, not really a distinction the Wiki recognises. We view the Dr. Men book as taking place in the DWU straight-on, not as a case of two universes interacting; therefore by definition any character who is introduced as existing in the universe of those books is an N-Space character, even if in marketing terms they're not advertised as a Doctor Who character. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 10:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

That is simply incorrect.

It is the same reason why Vienna and The Confessions of Dorian Gray only have overview pages rather than individual story pages like this because, despite making their first appearance in a DWU story, they were never intended to be part of the DWU permanently (Vienna pending discussion). RadMatter ☎ 10:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

That is where you are wrong, as both series have been described in some capacity as being not set in the DWU. (Though Vienna is oh-so-tenuously been stated to be set outside of the DWU, of course.)

However, with Mr Men, there has been no such statement

Epsilon📯 📂

10:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

There doesn't have to be a statement. The Mr Men books are their own series with no connection to the DWU outside of these crossover stories. Scrooge said that because the Early Bird made their first appearance in a DWU story that we now have to cover every story that they appear in because they are a DWU character, but as my examples have proven this has never been the case. RadMatter ☎ 10:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

No, these statements make or break coverage; if it hadn't been for these quotes, we'd most likely be covering all of Dorian Gray. We cannot just assume something is set outside the DWU - with Mr. Men, the Doctor Who mythos has essentially become one with it, so therefore, if a DWU character appears in Mr. Men books after Dr. Men without a rule four failing statement, these stories deserve coverage.

Epsilon📯 📂

11:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I would like to show my support for the coverage of Mr Men in a valid, or at the very least invalid, capacity. However, this is all dependant on whether Early Bird did actually debue in Dr. First. Therefore, I feel this should be verified first, something I will happily help with when I have more time (likely in about 3-5 days). Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 11:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)