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::: The release on home video from the 1990s would not and should not be enough to validate ''the Pilot Episode'', as it would still (at minimum) fail Rule 4. It was released as a deleted scene, with Verity Lambert even having a running commentary on why parts of the pilot episode were changed for ''An Unearthly Child''. It was not released as a meaningful contribution to the DWU, but as a matter of production history --it ''is'' a deleted scene (or rather, several deleted scenes). It's a production oddity. A more poorly produced version of the episode that was actually released. It's not even a "deleted scene" that was cut for timing purposes, but one that was deleted because it was not of the written or production quality necessary to justify its release. And that is a shadow that hangs over literally every release that it comes out on. Verity Lambert isn't sitting there in the commentary saying "We wanted to get that scene of William Russell knocking over a prop in there, but it just fussed with the pacing so we got rid of it." She's sitting there saying ''why'' they changed things. It amounts to trying to validate the three alternative takes of David Tennant saying "I don't want to go." I also feel I should bring up my concern that validating this would lead to rather ''obtuse'' coverage regarding the First Doctor's first episode. Editors shouldn't need to cite this alongside ''An Unearthly Child'' as equally valid, but validating it would encourage editors to do so --which would ultimately lead to over-coverage. Bringing ''The Pilot Episode'' in under Rule 4 By Proxy as a palimpsest universe more merit, but I maintain that trying to slot this in under Rule 4 on its own would be irresponsible. And to address OS25's question, yes we should give it the (home video) DAB. [[User:NoNotTheMemes|NoNotTheMemes]] [[User talk:NoNotTheMemes|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC) | ::: The release on home video from the 1990s would not and should not be enough to validate ''the Pilot Episode'', as it would still (at minimum) fail Rule 4. It was released as a deleted scene, with Verity Lambert even having a running commentary on why parts of the pilot episode were changed for ''An Unearthly Child''. It was not released as a meaningful contribution to the DWU, but as a matter of production history --it ''is'' a deleted scene (or rather, several deleted scenes). It's a production oddity. A more poorly produced version of the episode that was actually released. It's not even a "deleted scene" that was cut for timing purposes, but one that was deleted because it was not of the written or production quality necessary to justify its release. And that is a shadow that hangs over literally every release that it comes out on. Verity Lambert isn't sitting there in the commentary saying "We wanted to get that scene of William Russell knocking over a prop in there, but it just fussed with the pacing so we got rid of it." She's sitting there saying ''why'' they changed things. It amounts to trying to validate the three alternative takes of David Tennant saying "I don't want to go." I also feel I should bring up my concern that validating this would lead to rather ''obtuse'' coverage regarding the First Doctor's first episode. Editors shouldn't need to cite this alongside ''An Unearthly Child'' as equally valid, but validating it would encourage editors to do so --which would ultimately lead to over-coverage. Bringing ''The Pilot Episode'' in under Rule 4 By Proxy as a palimpsest universe more merit, but I maintain that trying to slot this in under Rule 4 on its own would be irresponsible. And to address OS25's question, yes we should give it the (home video) DAB. [[User:NoNotTheMemes|NoNotTheMemes]] [[User talk:NoNotTheMemes|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::: That...is the same position that I have, though? And that OS25 proposes? That under R4BP we cover ''The Pilot Episode'' as a depiction of the [[original palimpsest universe]], and create separate [[The Doctor (The Pilot Episode)]], [[Susan Foreman (The Pilot Episode)]] pages, etc. [[User:Pluto2|Pluto2]][[User talk:Pluto2|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
: The Pilot Episode was aired on Bbc2 in 1991. The home video dab would be silly imo the [[Special:Contributions/81.108.82.15|81.108.82.15]]<sup>[[User talk:81.108.82.15#top|talk to me]]</sup> | : The Pilot Episode was aired on Bbc2 in 1991. The home video dab would be silly imo the [[Special:Contributions/81.108.82.15|81.108.82.15]]<sup>[[User talk:81.108.82.15#top|talk to me]]</sup> | ||