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‘Merged Cyber-Race’

Now we know that at some point the Cybusmen were merged with the original ones, shouldn’t the Pandorica, Good Man, Closing Time, and Blood Cybermen be moved to a third section named ‘Merged Cyber-Race’ or something, with the Nightmare Cybermen been part of this section or a new one? {{SUBST:User:Kingofall42/SigReal|{{SUBST:{Predated }}}}. 09:23, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Joint Cybermen

Why was this removed we now know that at one point in their history, both the Mondasian and Cybus Cybermen encountered each other. What actually happened is unknown although they did co-operate and shared their technologies, to give birth to the variant of cyberman seen in A Good Man Goes to War, the video-game Blood of the Cybermen, Closing Time, Nightmare in Silver, and possibly The Pandorica Opens.

Too Borg-like?

The latest version of the Cybermen ("Nightmare in Silver") seems to be very Borg, with frequent adaptation ("upgrade in progress") instead of the old-style ones where you never saw them do the upgrades.

Is this current version more powerful than the Daleks now?

Probably close, but the daleks would probably win, but we don't know for now.

-- 65.94.76.126^{talk to me} 13:49, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Joined Cybermen

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/gaiman-on-upgrading-the-cybermen-48926.htm, have the mondasian and cybus crossed?

JOINT CYBERMEN OR CYBUS CYBERMEN

In The Pandorica Opens Cybermen are seen twice and Cyberships are seen. The ships and the fact that the first Cyberman we saw as a guard had new features unseen to Cybus Cybermen before, along with a whole skull, proves this is a new variant of Cybermen even though they have Cybus Logos. Moffat has stated it before and evidence backs up the idea that after The Next Doctor a second group survived and joined with an unknown group of Mondas Cybermen forming a new variant of Joint Cybermen as seen, in an early form, in PO. These Cybermen choose to use Mondas tech with Cybus armor, but didnt get rid of the Cybus logo till later on in there timeline.– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.63.41.232 (talk).

It's an interesting way to look at it, but I think a bit speculative. It could just as easily be that the Cybermen in Pandorica Opens were Cybus who had upgraded their technology a bit — the line "all universes will be deleted" to justify their being part of the Alliance does suggest they're from Pete's World, to me. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 09:49, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

Tardis:Discussion policy prohibits speculation on article talk pages. Please refrain from further speculation on this page thanks Shambala108 ☎ 14:16, July 14, 2019 (UTC)

"Cybermen of unknown origin"

"Cybermen of unknown origin" It's pretty clear, especially in Nightmare in Silver, that these are upgraded Mondasian Cybermen. 62.254.12.55^{talk to me} 00:48, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Their development

I'd like to know how the Cybermen managed to improve themselves to the point of Nightmare In Silver. I mean, as the Tenth Doctor said to John Lumic, they're stripping themselves from imagination, and that's what they need to progress. However, with their wars with the Human Empire, they've improved themselves gradually to the point they became almost invincible to humans. How did they even manage to do so without imagination? --X29 17:15, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

If you want to know specifically how they improved themselves, I don't know if that information is available in any stories yet. If you just want a general discussion based on your last question, you must take it to Howling:The Howling, as that kind of discussion isn't allowed on talk pages per Tardis:Discussion policy. Shambala108 ☎ 14:23, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

I just wanted answers, yeesh... --X29 15:24, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Why is this page "Cyberman" rather than "Cybermen"?

It's true that this is in accord with general Wiki policy, but prior to the merging, the pages were Cybermen (Mondas) and Cybermen (Pete's World). Why not keep the same exception? I assume it was for ease of linking, and in this instance that does seem like a strong reason to me — 90 percent of the time we'll be linking to Cybermen rather than Cyberman, and unlike with Dalek, you can't just tack on an S at the end and let Wikia do the rest… --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 10:19, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

Except in certain circumstances, which this does not fall into, all article names (including species names) are singular. I don't know why the original two were made plural and I never actually noticed it till now. Shambala108 ☎ 14:07, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

5.3 Factual correction

Considering that we never find out when exactly in Mondas’ history the colony ship was built and sent, along with the fact that the events there took place over thousands of years, shouldn’t we place it under the ‘Undated events’ section? It would make more sense, especially for pages like this where we’re dealing with Cybermen as a whole, not just individuals. CyberFoundries900 ☎ 15:35, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

In my opinion, any attempt a linear Cybermen timeline is pretty much voided by The Doctor Falls’s explanation that Cybermen get started at various points in time and space as an inevitable risk of human-like civilizations. I think what we ought to do is have an "Origins" section with subsections by planet. For lack of any hard facts on in which order these origins happened, we could default to listing them in the order that the Doctor encountered them. It would go something like:

== Origins ===

=== On Mondas ===

=== On Telos ===

=== On Marinus ===

=== In Pete's World ===

=== On the Mondasian Colony Ship ===

What does everyone else think? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:51, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

That sounds like it could work, so long as said format is used only for an origins section. I’d also move the info on Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel and the games after them to the ‘alternate universes’ category as they occur in a separate universe to the other origins. Also it wouldn’t be too hard to edit seeing as most of the origins are placed early in the history section. I asked the question mainly to know how to arrange info of the history sections for the pages on general Cybermen topics, such as the Cyber-Lieutenant page (do I place the info from Alit in Underland, which takes place on the colony ship, before the other sections or after, for example). CyberFoundries900 ☎ 16:10, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

More variants in the infobox gallery?

Should there be more images added to the infobox? "N-Space" is a very broad term, and there have been multiple variants and designs. And then there are the likes of the more recent Cyber-Masters... should they be included too? — Fractal Doctor @ 15:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I think that is a good idea. Any suggestions for said images?

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17:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

In-keeping with the two we already have, I've tried to find some good screencaps to represent different models. [Gallery below.] The Mondasian one is facing left, and the majority of the core features are in frame (hollow eyes, cloth face, headlamp, chest unit). I found the Moonbase/Tomb ones trickier, as we're yet to have any good quality screencaps (ie. upscaled HD) but I've proposed one showing off the Cyber-controller with regular Cyberman in the background.

The one I've proposed for the Earthshock variants (are they called Cyber-scouts? Do they all have unique names?) is the one I'd argue most to use - not only does it show off a Cyber-Leader and a Cyberman, but I think it's a very clear shot of the designs and it also just so happens to feature them in a recognisable (arguably iconic) set ["Destroy them at once!"]

Attack, I've found similar. A Cyber-controller with a Cyberman in Cyber HQ on Telos, both of them decently in frame. Even though the regular Cyberman design is the same as the one in Earthshock (and Five Doctors), the Cyber-controller is different. I don't think we need to use this one - if we start trying to find images for every single variant, it'd be never ending (the one painted black, all the tweaks made over the years to various costumes, etc). The one I've found for Silver Nemesis is annoyingly lowish quality, but again shows a Cyber-Leader with a regular Cyberman in good profile. I'd argue these should be included over the Attack ones if only because they are noticably different now - cricket gloves, new overalls, chrome-finish for the helmets.

Of the ones I've suggested for the classic series, the one I'd most like to see is the one I've plucked from Earthshock. The others are just suggestions and I daresay there are probably better frames that others could grab that show off the Cybermen better.

(Also worth asking at this point, should we stick to official televised Cybermen only? If we start including variants from BBV and comics, for example, the gallery could go on forever.) — Fractal Doctor @ 17:33, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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Excellent. — Fractal Doctor @ 17:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Just wanted to give this idea a nudge again, post-fork. I still believe covering a few of the main design variants would work well in an infobox gallery, showcasing various design evolutions since 1966. × Fractal • 10:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)