Forum:Pronouns in Infobox Person

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I think we should introduce a pronouns field in {{Infobox Person}}. I feel that this should go in the top section, perhaps under "Other names" (although I'm not steadfast on this). I feel that this would potentially help people to use the correct pronouns and reduce misgendering. I originally got this idea from Wookieepedia and one thing I like about their implementation is that, as explained at their Template:Person (the equivelant to our {{Infobox Person}}), the field is called "listedpronouns" and can only be filled in if the person "has publicly self-identified their pronouns and a valid source is provided" (valid source, in this context, presmubaly referring to a real world source such as a Twitter bio or public statement). While, somewhat ironically, the only example I could find with my pretty much non-existant Star Wars knowledge of this field in use does not include a citation, I feel that the idea is very sound in principal and should help keep potentially harmful incorrect statements to a minimum. Therefore, I suggest that we apply a similar policy and require citations. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Bongo50 ☎ 17:24, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

I agree with this, makes sense. We could also perhaps do something similar for {{Infobox Individual}}, as we don't really have anything like that for in universe individuals either. Or perhaps that's a bad idea? Aquanafrahudy 📢 18:15, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

This is for real world people? I think, so long as the people we're writing about are comfortable, sounds like a good idea. (I really gotta write the OP for the pronoun fields in {{Infobox Individual}} soon...)

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19:33, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I was originally planning on proposing this for in-universe individuals as well but, when thinking through the details, I realised it was more complex so decided to wait until after this thread. As it's been brought up, I'll now go into my thoughts. The first complication is that our in-universe citation format just wouldn't work in this situation. Even if it did, I don't know of any scenario where we have an explicit statement of what a character's pronouns are so we'd have to get it from dialogue and narration, which I think is fine, but then we have the question of what source we would actually cite how of the potentially hundreds available. Perhaps it would actually just be better to not cite at all for IU characters? There's then the issue of characters who change pronouns in a story, such as Dorothy. Which do we use? I'm thinking that we list both with parentheticals giving brief explanation, using {{note}} to explain in more depth when necessary. What are other people's thoughts on these questions? Bongo50 ☎ 22:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

How would we cite this? And I assume we're allowing neopronouns in this proposal? I worry about the potential for abuse. Najawin ☎ 22:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

We'd cite it like so:

|pronouns=X/Y<ref>some link to a place, such as a Twitter account, specific Tweet or similar where the pronouns are explicitly stated</ref>

As such, we'd allow whatever pronouns the person in question lists, be that traditional pronouns, neopronouns or otherwise. Bongo50 ☎ 22:39, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I'd support this for real wofld people, but not for IU individuals. or at least, id be more hesitant there.Cousin Ettolrahc ☎ 22:40, 23 August 2023 (UTC)