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| ==Infobox pic==
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| After a careful review of the picture which has been in the infobox over a year, [[:file:Eighth Doctor.jpg]], I determined it was necessary to delete it. In my view, it was obviously improperly colour-balanced versus the most recent DVD release. It was so red-shifted that it exaggerated the fact that McGann was wearing a wig, but, more disturbingly, it gave him roseacea. The scene from which the picture came, his farewell to Grace at the end, is backlit, which always makes the subject appear dark at 250px. I tried playing around with the image to get it to look okay at 250px, but any lightening made the problem recur. It's just one of those scenes that looks fine on a TV, but when you bring it down to 250px,you run into problems.
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| I've put up another image. If people don't like it and want to change it, fine. Whatever we might think of the plot, it's a beautifully shot film and there are tons of great images of the Eighth Doctor. But please don't try to use anything from that farewell scene at the end of the film. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''09:36:23 Tue '''14 Jun 2011 </span>
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| :For the purposes of future clarification, please note that a user has put a new picture at [[:file:Eighth Doctor.jpg]]. The current picture at that page is ''not'' the one referred to in my earlier post. The current [[:file:Eighth Doctor.jpg|Eighth Doctor.jpg]] is perfectly acceptable. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''17:05:48 Tue '''14 Jun 2011 </span>
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| Changed to [[:File:Eight.jpg]]. Previous image looked disproportioned, and may well be. This one is face on. Consulted Revan as to this change. Other opinions?----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 17:14, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
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| Yes, I have an opinion. [[:File:Eight.jpg|The image you added]] isn't that great, it's too stretched. Although the Doctor's face in [[:File:Eighth Doctor.jpg|my image however]] looks just fine. Though this may not be a good enough reason, until this matter is resolved, that image you added is only temporary. [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 17:34, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
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| I'm sorry, what? The image I added was a direct screenshot straight from the standard sized image. It isn't stretched. Your image is stretched if anything. The image I uploaded is a larger file and so it is of a higher quality. It is face on, rather than to the side. I have consulted Revan as to this change so it isn't just personal opinion. This image is often used in media to advertise the Eighth Doctor (but the screenshot is my own). These are my reasons. Lets look at yours: "I prefer this image." Hmm...sorry to sound harsh, but I already intended to change this image and waited to see what others thought. Of course I'm not saying that we should consult on every edit, but as a main page I think It deserves some discussion rather that just personal preference. If anyone can find an image better than this, I'd very much like to see it and if you still differ in opinion please state why. Thanks----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 17:43, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Well, I'll weigh in on this, since I kinda started things by deleting the old pic. I like both Skittles' and Cortion's pics. I think they're both fine improvements on what was there before. But if I'm honest, I do have a ''slight'' preference for Cortion's. It's one of my very favorite shots of McGann. As someone who's combed that movie for images on many occasions, I think I can pretty much guarantee Cortion hasn't unnaturally warped it. Rather, [[Geoffrey Sax]] did. It's taken during the scene where things are very confused for the newly-regenerated Doctor, so there are some in-camera lens effects going on. I think the fact that he's looking left is ideal for an infobox that's placed on the right of a page. Given a choice between an image that's left-facing versus one where the person's eyes are skyward, I would naturally choose the left-facing one every time. It's an old bit of design theory; you tend to want your subjects looking in the direction of the body of text. It's one of the reasons that my offering to the page was right-facing. People will tend to reject images that face away from the text, and I wanted people actively looking for a better shot for the infobox. Like I said, though, both are way better than what was there before. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''18:17:06 Fri '''17 Jun 2011 </span>
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| I prefer the image I submitted because (like you said) it isn't warped and it's closer up. I'm not really sure why you like the other image. Because it's a full body shot? I think a face on image is much better than one where he's facing the text, simply because you want to see the character's face.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 18:24, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
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| :I'm not sure how to explain my preference any better. I've described it pretty thoroughly, above. I will say, though, that you're mischaracterising your shot, and therefore the differences between it and Cortion's.
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| :*You can ''totally'' see Eight's face in ''both'' shots. Neither your image's nor Cortion's are better than the other's at giving a clear representation of what the character looks like.
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| :*Your picture isn't head-on. It's taken from an unnaturally close up angle with the subject turned towards the camera, eyes up. Because of the innovative nature of Sax's framing, there are few examples of terribly static, head-on shot composition in the movie. Thus, the actual choice is between two stylised pics — one with the eyes looking up and one with the eyes looking left. Both pics have some degree of focus-pulling tricks going on — yours loses focus around the edges because it's so tight on McGann's nose; Cortion's because Sax is actively trying to suggest the loss of equilibrium. I never said that yours wasn't warped. It is, because Sax is a dynamic director, and he had a great DOP working for him.
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| :Now, I'm not saying there's an obvious "winner" between the two. I'm just saying they're both very similar, but the one that's eyes-left pulls the reader towards the copy, whereas yours points the reader towards the wikia header. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''17:40:39 Sun '''19 Jun 2011 </span>
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| :Why not use the promotional photos, then? [http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/medialibrary/images/main-promo/costumes_05.jpg How about this one?] [[User:Mugen Kagemaru|Mugen Kagemaru]] 05:09, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| :All right, I've uploaded [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:8thDoc.JPG a cropped version of the above image]. If you want to use it, go ahead. [[User:Mugen Kagemaru|Mugen Kagemaru]] 22:57, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
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| == "Casting" ==
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| Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the "Casting" section has absolutely no sources? That information, if true (and the way it's written suggest to me that it... may not be), should have come from somewhere and we should make a point of ensuring that it's accurate. I just don't really know nor do I have access to sources that might illuminate such matters (with one exception that does not actually include much of the information present in the secion as-is, so...). Does anyone have any thoughts or sources, etc? If not, I plan on removing it because it's been bothering me. --[[Special:Contributions/Sean-Black|SB]] | [[User talk:Sean-Black|T]] 19:32, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Dark Eyes audio drama - new look Doctor ==
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| The cover for the new Big Finish audio drama '''''Dark Eyes''''' reveals that the Eighth Doctor has a new costume and new short haircut (Paul stopped using the wig). As a result, I'd say an updated image of him is needed on this page. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=478229038872950&set=a.215895871772936.75031.215891121773411&type=1&theater [[User_talk:Digifiend|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="red"><b>Digifiend</b></font>]] 22:10, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
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| We can't include an image of the Doctor in his new look until the story has been released as it offends our "spoiler policy". --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 22:18, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
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| : Even when the story is released, we can't use cover images of people already on television, per [[T:ICC]]. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 00:01, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
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| ::I didn't say it had to be on the infobox. There are already comic and novel images on the page, as well as an image from [[AUDIO]]: ''[[Other Lives]]'', and I take it those also fall under [[T:ICC]]. As far as I'm aware, there are no other pictures of the Eighth Doctor's new look, as Dark Eyes is it's debut. Fair enough about the spoiler policy, but Tybort, your logic is flawed. If, once it's released, the Dark Eyes cover image still cannot be used, then the Other Lives image should be removed as well, as it's from the same type of source. [[User_talk:Digifiend|<font face="Trebuchet MS" color="red"><b>Digifiend</b></font>]] 00:58, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
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| ::: Then it probably should be removed. Comic images are fine, and the novel image comes from a in-story web illustration rather than a cover. Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I thought then I thought that rule meant the overall subject, rather than a look which wasn't seen in DWM or the TV movie, can't use covers. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 01:21, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
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| ::::I don't think the rule was meant to mean "if a character was ever on TV, no cover images can appear of this character ever." I think it just means "if another appropriate image exists (as would be the case in most TV stories), don't use the cover image." In this case, it's from an audio story where no other appropriate image exists, so it would be fine to use the cover art. -- [[User:Rowan Earthwood|Rowan Earthwood]] <sup>[[User talk:Rowan Earthwood|talk to me]]</sup> 01:44, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
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| :::::The Big Finish CD's often include illustration within the CD booklet of the boxset. Since I've pre-ordered the boxset, I will add any such image to the article where appropriate. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 09:41, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
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| :::::: ...you still seemed to have added a promotional image from a cover, Revan to illustrate ''Dark Shadows''. Or am I missing something because it's a boxset? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 22:38, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
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| I had a look through the forums and found no objection to a cover being used as long as it represented a scene which takes place within the story. [[Forum:Character infobox image standards?]] was the reference I used, unless I'm missing something vital. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 22:41, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
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| == Behind the scenes ==
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| The "continuity contradictions" section of Behind the scenes claims that the ''DWM'' stories slot during the three year break from Sam. Yet here and on [[Forum:Timeline - Eighth Doctor]], the ''DWM'' stuff post-dates the EDAs. Someone more familiar with wiki discussion over Eight's chronology clarify? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 10:48, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
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| :The section was a bit of a mess, it's trying to explain all the continuity problems and be a timeline section.
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| :I've re-written and re-structured it a little bit and added a link to the Timeline project. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:56, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
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| ::I made another editing pass today on this section and I removed that timeline link. Timeline stuff is just a forum thread. It's not "the belief of the community" or however it was phrased. [[Forum:Timey-wimey detector]] is well linked from the main navbar; there's no need to link it from individual articles. Such linkage falsely implies it's on par with information in our articles. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 13:39: Mon 12 Nov 2012</span>
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| === Canon debate === | | === Canon debate === |
| When I encountered it, article had this dubiously helpful information: | | When I encountered it, article had this dubiously helpful information: |
