Talk:Torchwood Institute/Appearances

Organisation

As this Wiki itself admits, the Torchwood Institute is a body of people and an organisation. It is not the buildings in which the team work. Therefore, we need to include all episodes from Series Three and Four, rather than just those that include the Hub. If this list should refer to the buildings, then it requires a rename. TheFartyDoctor ^Talk 23:04, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Definition of Institute- "an organization having a particular purpose, especially one that is involved with science, education, or a specific profession." Synonyms being establishment and organisation. States nothing about the building itself. TheFartyDoctor ^Talk 23:08, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

And this is incredibly confusing... so the newly created team in Miracle Day, is referred to simply as Torchwood (team). I think this whole Torchwood situation needs sorting out. Either the Torchwood Team is a continuous thing from the creation of the Institute itself... or we start specifying. Personally, splitting this group off is unnecessary. When Jack explains to the Tenth Doctor that after the fall of Torchwood One, he changed it, surely that was the true start of a "New Torchwood"?

It's just very confusing at the moment. I'm considering opening up a discussion about it but if we can get it done here first, I'd appreciate it. I was completely unaware of the page Torchwood (team) until I visited the Miracle Day series page... if a Torchwood lover and a constant user and editor of this Wiki, like myself, is not coming across these pages, there's a bit of a problem haha.

TheFartyDoctor ^Talk 23:34, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Of course, Torchwood (team) is not the Torchwood Institute. Despite sharing some members, there is no official affiliation between the two. And not any story with Gwen Cooper while she's employed at Torchwood Three is an appearance of Torchwood, either, even if we do define it as the team itself. And what of Children of Earth? You could make the argument that they continue to be Torchwood Three even past the destruction of the base in that serial.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 01:09, February 5, 2017 (UTC)

At no point are Gwen, Jack and Ianto tied down to the Hub. The destruction of the Hub doesn't mean that Torchwood are disbanded. Therefore, I think it would be silly to simply state "Torchwood doesn't exist" during the final two episodes of CoE. As for the point you make for the New Torchwood during Miracle Day, that's a persuasive argument. As I remember, they do use the term "New Torchwood". Have we considered using that term instead of the very generic "Torchwood (team)"? "Torchwood (team)" could refer to all sorts of things. It could refer to the Team lead by Yvonne, or Rachel, or Jack, or the upcoming Los Angeles based team. The only thing that rules them out is that we have Torchwood One, Three etc; and we'll no doubt have "Torchwood Los Angeles". If we are going to treat the Miracle Day team as a brand new team, we need to give them a more specific name, and we need to leave Do you mean... style boxes at the top to help people get to where they want to go.

I also believe that in episode one of Miracle Day, Jack says to Esther "Welcome to Torchwood", right? So did the old Torchwood ever go away? Obviously, we'd exclude the short period where Gwen and Rhys live alone with Anwen in the middle of nowhere... but "New Torchwood"? That's the bit that needs defining, because when Jack took over, that could easily classify as New Torchwood. I just think Torchwood needs a bit of an overhaul. TheFartyDoctor ^Talk 01:25, February 5, 2017 (UTC)