Talk:Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe

When did it actually say that the Jagrafress was the species? -<Azes13 16:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

It didn't, frankly. Certainly not in the episode. And I never took away from the Long Game that ol' Max was actually being directly "enslaved" by the Daleks. He was a part of their plan, sure, but there's no explicit connection between the Daleks and him, I don't think. But maybe there's some obscure prose story out there. For the moment, I've flagged fact tags. Here's an alternative write-up. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 23:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not inclined to count the cited website as fact (as it doesn't have any sources). In The Parting of the Ways the Doctor might have implied that the Daleks set up the Jagrafess at Sat 5, but that's a large step away from being enslaved. --Tangerineduel 14:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

So what do we do about this article, then? Its lead is, from what you, me and Azes13 seem to be saying, without factual merit. I'm going to throw up the prop delete on this one, cause the majority of its statements are legitimately, um, fact-challenged. (How's that for a euphemism?) CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 12:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I just tried to rewrite the article, and was left with a sentence. The Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe article actually has more information, both about Max and the species in general, some of it on the Max article is also (I think) fact challenged, some of it anyways. So I suggest instead of a flat out delete, perhaps just redirect it to Max's page with a note at the top saying Max is the only one encountered (or something to that effect). --Tangerineduel 14:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I guess. But it should be a true redirect and not just a page consisting of a link. A note at the top, as you're implying, suggests we agree with the notion that Jagrafess is the name of the race. And there's absolutely nothing to bass that on. Basically, we don't know, from the primary source, what race Max is. In fact, if we were to apply normal English language conventions to the full long name, I would tend to think Jagrafess is actually his real name, as in John of England. Just because we have the Editor shortening the last word in his title to use as his name doesn't mean he's correct in doing so. The Editor is by temperament quite sarcastic, so we shouldn't see him as a reliable source. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 07:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I say this gets deleted. We're not sure if it is a species, a giant invertebrate, enslaved by the Daleks or comes from the Jagrafessfold Breeding Grounds. The evil dudeArnie 07:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I've got nothing to base this on but The mighty Jagrafess sounds more like a name to me than a species. I thought perhaps the species was not mentioned and the Holy Hadrojassic Maxerodenfoe was some sort of empire or alien cult. I thought the editor called him Max simply because it was the only part of the long and alien name he could get to grips with. That's why I was surprised to see that the Jagrafess apparently comes from the Jagrafessfold Breeding Grounds which suggests that the species is Jagrafess. I was hoping this wasn't the case because I was hoping to write a story about another of it's kind whom I was going to call The Glorious Golgomoth of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe but if Jagrafess is the species he'd have to be called the Jagrafess again I suppose. 24 September 2009 (UTC)