User talk:OncomingStorm12th

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Prose fiction overviews

I know that the category is not clearly explained, but category:Prose fiction overviews should only contain pages which are themselves overviews. So series/range pages, anything like "First Doctor novels" or "Target novelisations" or "Decide Your Destiny".

The category Short Trips, however, contains pages which are not prose fiction overviews, and so not overview pages at all. I think such subcategories should not be included in Prose fiction overviews. The same would naturally apply to Audio overviews: individual overview pages should be directly in the category, and the subcats should be altogether removed. How do you feel on the subject?
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 22:06, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

Well the thing is, you're basically saying at that point that Paul McGann is an audio overview. Big Finish audio spin-off series is fine as a metacategory. Would you like there to be an Audio stories by range or series category?

Take a look at the category description found at Overview pages. At conception, the idea was to have this metacat very much divorced from the categories, for these ranges, containing the stories and actors and books themselves. Take a look at Television overviews: this is the purpose of such a category. Pages for the series themselves, or overviews of stories belonging to this medium; not the entirety of Torchwood (TV series) lumped into it.

What does need to be thought about is where a category such as The Third Doctor Adventures can be placed. It is not a Big Finish audio spin-off series (as made explicitly clear in the description there), and our current category structure has no "Big Finish ranges" for series which do contain the Doctor.

Perhaps we should divorce this structure which places together cast, crew and stories, and simply have Doom Coalition (audio series) (the page) in Audio overviews, Doom Coalition audio stories in category:Big Finish Doctor Who audio stories, any potential "Doom Coalition voice actors" under category:Big Finish Doctor Who voice actors. Different branches, remaining separate as originally intended. And the leads to these categories can link to the relevant cats for voice actors/stories/etc.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 23:00, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

Big Finish Doctor Who audio series is a good idea! A reasonable counterpart to Big Finish audio spin-off series.

On closer examination, "Audio stories by range or series" will not be necessary. Big Finish audio stories fills this function on its own, for Big Finish stories, and Audio stories by company gives the broad view into BBC Audio audio stories, etc, which do the same. The structure already in place is all we need.

The switchover, as no doubt you have noted, includes ensuring that the individual pages, ie. BBC Torchwood audio stories, are added back to the relevant overview category; in this case, Audio overviews.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 02:02, March 5, 2018 (UTC)

Textless covers

Hey, I was wondering since i cna't upload the textless covers, maybe you can please? User:Jantoshipper 00:00 18, March 2018

Nth Doctor audio stories

I did notice that inconsistency with the subheadings. The Churchill Years would be far less clear (even bordering on unreadable?), with one-column tables, two subheadings and a main template. The best way forward, I think, is maybe not to split by volume/season. Otherwise, we're getting into "X Doctor needs at least X number of stories per volume", or "X Doctor must be the primary Doctor in the range to be split up".

Also, the tables should have a consistent table width, or rather at least min-width, for easy reading. In other words, Destiny of the Doctor (314px) should be as wide as The Churchill Years (around 450px), which perhaps ought to be as wide as BBC New Series Adventures (around 500px).
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 01:22, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

Hmm. Looking at Eighth Doctor audio stories, I can see why you split some series up. The Eighth Doctor Adventures benefits hugely from being split into individual series. I'm going to play with merging the other series' tables on that page, one moment.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 01:25, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

Done that now. As you can see, in its current form that doesn't work out too great. In the Dark Eyes iteration, that is. Check out what I did with Doom Coalition, instead. What do you think? And should we continue separating sections as long as there's more than 4 stories with X Doctor per volume or series?

I probably don't have to say this, but adding prose content (paragraphs with information) should also be a priority. For instance, the Eighth Doctor page should explain, in the lead or in the relevant story sections, that they stopped making Main Range stories featuring this Doctor, and used him exclusively in his own range, and then moved on to long multi-volume serialised stories, on the success of Dark Eyes.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 01:42, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

I apologise for the delay in communication. I think this is the right way about it. Feel free to make these changes more widespread.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:17, March 25, 2018 (UTC)

Spoilery audio overviews

Interesting point of view. In principle, I surely don't mind. If series pages are more useful with less information but no spoiler tag, then so be it. I can only explain why I thought these might be useful. It is true that the information about BF audios is all present on one website, which we know only too well. (By the way, I did not forget about your request for a fix to the main range links, but the term "Main range" is a bit contentious. So, instead of discussing it risking disagreements, I really want to let it rest until it is replaced and then do the discussion/modification. Sorry. The reason I mention this is that I was reminded that my knowledge of the BF website does not mean everyone can easily find things there.) But what if a user, who is not a die-hard fan, wants to find out quickly the scope of this or that series. In other words, imagine a user who decided that the Tardis wiki is the simplest way of getting this information. I had a chance to do exactly the same thing with MCU wiki recently and I have to say I was very frustrated by how hard it was to find out even info on already released stories of a particular type. So my thinking was that a reader may want to quickly check things out, for which the newly created pages like First Doctor novels or Eighth Doctor audio stories are extremely helpful. In fact, after this almost fruitless MCU search, I think now this is an important service from us, the fan community to the non-fans or occasional/TV-only fans. Having said that, what I needed was mostly things already released. I can still imagine listings of future releases useful for people trying to determine the commitment they would enter were they to start a particular series. But, as I said, I don't claim to have a complete understanding of how readers think. I don't know if it makes sense to ask on the talk page for other opinions because I doubt novice readers would even know about the talk page. At any rate, I have too much RL stuff (aka work) going on to oversee that now. I'll let you decide. Amorkuz ☎ 22:40, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

Unbound Doctor face image

Hey where did you get the Unbound Doctor's inner case image? User:Jantoshipper ☎ 14:20, March 30, 2018 (UTC)

BF voice actors

If I understand you correctly, you will add a more specific category to each page, and when you are finished, very page directly in the parent cat will also be in one of the children, and you want "Big Finish Doctor Who voice actors" removed from them all.

In which case: I could absolutely run SV7 on all the pages directly in that category, or alternatively on all the pages contained in the subcategories. In general, unless I tell my bot to also include the contents of SUBcategories, it'll stick to the contents of that main category. In this case, there would be no issue at all.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 04:23, April 11, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up

I don't have time for an extended answer right now. Thanks for the warning. I trust the situation is momentarily diffused. I'll post on the talk page of Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, hopefully tonight. Amorkuz ☎ 17:20, April 16, 2018 (UTC)

Owen's death date

That's true, but A Day in the Death takes place in January 2009 and the two stories clearly take place afterwards, with Owen as a proper member of the team again, not being under observation and Martha Jones isn't around. -- Saxon 23:45, April 27, 2018 (UTC)

Time Lords with unknown names

Yes, I saw the definition after I had added all the categories but was busy. I added them because that category was on the main Doctor page so I thought to add their individual incarnations. I'll sort it all out in the next day or two when I have the time if somebody else doesn't beat me to it. --Borisashton ☎ 20:21, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

The Heavenly Paradigm

Hi, was just wondering what the formatting was for referencing the Behind the Scenes from the set, which is where I got the info.

Also how direct does the referencing have to be? For example in Earthshock (TV story), the notes contain a working title, however the source is not marked and is instead in one of the external links at the bottom. 0003c9fe ☎ 03:16, April 30, 2018 (UTC)