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::Because here's the thing, the line you quote doesn't quite rule out Zellin being an Eternal; you can certainly imagine, I dunno, the Master, speaking of "the Time Lords" without including himself in the lot. Note also how, in his little lecture on how the various immortals of N-Space spend eternity, Zellin characterises the Eternals by saying that they "have their games", and then… notes that ''he'' sees N-Space as a board for "a game". [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | ::Because here's the thing, the line you quote doesn't quite rule out Zellin being an Eternal; you can certainly imagine, I dunno, the Master, speaking of "the Time Lords" without including himself in the lot. Note also how, in his little lecture on how the various immortals of N-Space spend eternity, Zellin characterises the Eternals by saying that they "have their games", and then… notes that ''he'' sees N-Space as a board for "a game". [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | ||
:: Hi Shambala108. The line was in the episode as it aired too, not just the script. I've edited my original comment to make that clearer. Scrooge MacDuck makes a valid point though, and I concede to his judgement on this. --[[User:Irrevenant|Irrevenant]] [[User talk:Irrevenant|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:15, 30 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
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Zellin and Rakaya not Eternals?
Based on the episode script at http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/writersroom/scripts/doctor-who-s12-ep7-can-you-hear-me.pdf Zellin considers himself and Rakaya to be immortals but not Eternals.
EDIT: To clarify, this is in the episode as it aired too, not just in the script.
From the script:
We immortals need our games, Doctor. Eternity is long -- and we are cursed to see it all. The Eternals have their games, the Guardians have their power struggles. For me, this dimension is a beautiful board for a game. The toymaker would approve.
The Guide to the Dark Times apparently has a picture of them under 'Eternals' though. So which is right?
-- Irrevenant ☎ 03:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- See my response at Talk:Rakaya. Shambala108 ☎ 03:59, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- The line, on its own, would seem to imply that he and Rakaya are a distinct group from the Eternals, yes. I think this was probably the original intent, too, as far as TV: Can You Hear Me? is concerned. But as you say PROSE: The Guide to the Dark Times shows them to quite definitively be Eternals, while the line is merely implying that they're not, maybe kinda.
- Because here's the thing, the line you quote doesn't quite rule out Zellin being an Eternal; you can certainly imagine, I dunno, the Master, speaking of "the Time Lords" without including himself in the lot. Note also how, in his little lecture on how the various immortals of N-Space spend eternity, Zellin characterises the Eternals by saying that they "have their games", and then… notes that he sees N-Space as a board for "a game". Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 04:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Shambala108. The line was in the episode as it aired too, not just the script. I've edited my original comment to make that clearer. Scrooge MacDuck makes a valid point though, and I concede to his judgement on this. --Irrevenant ☎ 04:15, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
