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== Saying hi == | |||
Hey, I saw Scrooge merged [[City (The Aztecs)]] into [[Tenochtitlan]] and it made me think of you. I hope your absence is due to good things only! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 20:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
:Welcome back! How we have missed you! The forums aren't back yet, but that's only because I've been stalling everyone: I wanted to make sure you didn't miss ''too'' much… I'll give them the go-ahead now! (I wish!) Very sorry to hear that the circumstances keeping you away have been less than happy, but I'm glad you're still around and hope we can catch up soon. :) – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 02:43, 30 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
== | == Welcome back! == | ||
Very glad to have you back, friend(?)! And sorry to hear things have been rough. No, still no Forums just yet (though wheels are in motion), but still some good work done. You were missed, though! <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 00:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
: More FP Wikification never goes amiss! And yours was a very high standard of it. Though if other projects catch your eye, that's quite alright too. Regarding ''[[Golden Age (novel)|Golden Age]]'', no, I feel no sense of property over the page, and have been feeling quite bad that I fell off Wikification as I finished my reading, leaving it with that poor little stump of a summary. I'd be very happy (though again, no obligation) if you decided to finish it. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 12:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Re: SMW == | |||
Hi, I'd completely forgotten about my SMW guide and I'm glad you've found it useful. I should really get round to finishing it at some point. You can set hidden SMW "tags" using the #set parser function. For your example, you would place the following on [[Cobweb and Ivory (short story)]]: | |||
<pre>{{#set:TheEnemy=Cernunnos}}</pre> | |||
Ideally, this would be wrapped in a template like {{tlx|Wales crew}} or {{tlx|Infobox Story}} but it certainly doesn't have to be. | |||
By ''Eragon'', are you referring to the fantasy book series with a film and video game adaptions? If so, I love that series but I can't think where the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' references would be. With ''Transformers'', I actually can't believe that it was missed out of the diagram on my user page . That's a big omission. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
{{ | :: Wow! I read ''Eragon'' before I got into ''Doctor Who'' and haven't yet got round to rereading it (it's on my pile of books to read/reread, though) so this is awesome to find out about. I am aware of [[Cultural references to the Doctor Who universe]] but I've never really read through it. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC) | ||
== Re: Capaldi interview == | |||
Ahh, bugger, thanks for letting me know. I've archived the relevant bits at [[User:NateBumber/Capaldi interview]]. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 13:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:"On mobile", "without Ctrl+F", "for a limited period of time" is exactly the kind of [[not we]] use case we should have in mind. You shouldn't ''need'' Ctrl+F or a lot of time to find the most important details about a topic: as an example, last night I wanted a quick refresher on Stanley Kubrick, and by skimming the first few paragraphs of {{w|Stanley Kubrick|his Wikipedia page}} on my phone, it was trivially easy to find his death date and most notable works within seconds. In contrast, right now you can't even answer the question (for instance) "what episode did the Twelfth Doctor regenerate in?" without scrolling 2/3rds of the way down [[Twelfth Doctor]]. The way we prioritize information on pages is broken – but it is fixable. Currently I suspect subpages will be a part of the answer. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Re: actor and crew preload == | |||
Hi, I'm not [[User:SOTO|SOTO]], but I'm pretty certain that the edit to the preload was made erroneously so I have recerted it. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Sandbox edits == | |||
Hello! Saw your last few edits to The Sandbox. On two of the later points I think your worries may be misplaced. With regards to ''[[Adventures in Lockdown]]'' — its status as a charity work of sorts is known, but then, so are all the Comic Relief specials and more. There is vast precedent for BBC ''Who'' works to be covered even if they were part of charity events, and I think the book's position is secure, though in point of fact its existence could be used as a precedent in a thread wanting to revisit the coverage of e.g. charity stories with a licensed Iris. | |||
And as to [[Time (mythology)]] — covering the different depictions of Time on one page is part of a wider effort to keep DWU depictions of mythological beings in one place. I think it's clear that a single [[Zeus]] that acknowledges different accounts of his true nature/origins, in a [[The Doctor's species]] spirit, is much more useful than the undisciplined labyrinth of separate pages for "Zeus as a deity worshipped by historical characters", "Zeus in ''[[Deadly Reunion (novel)|Deadly Reunion]]''" and "Zeus in ''[[The Life Bringer! (comic story)|The Life Bringer!]]'' that we had to deal with before, you know? Covering Time on a single page is the logical extension of that; and it's all the more justified, even from a watsonian point of view, with the allegorical entities depicted — among others — as Menti Celesti, since Platt himself suggested that the core conceptual entities could have many different incarnations each, not just the ones seen in the VNAs. (Also, [[T:SPOIL]] prevents, but I have knowledge of certain upcoming releases with an incidence on the specific Time case, that would tip the scales yet further towards keeping them all on one page.) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 15:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:: Sorry to be a gadfly again, but [[Tardis:Valid sources]] ''already'' enshrines "multiple-choice" series where an in-universe timey-wimey gimmick means ''all'' the paths are true as valid, giving ''[[Flip-Flop (audio story)|Flip-Flop]]'' as an example! (EDIT: Oh, I see you already mentioned as much on the story talk page. Mh. The "you" is a fair cop, but see my reply there.) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 18:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Russell Mcgee == | |||
I've protected the page for now to only allow autoconfirmed users, which hopefully means new named users can't edit it (at least that's what it used to mean). Keep me posted if you see something else that I miss. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:19, 12 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:I feel like this is getting over my head and maybe another admin who is more current on these things could help, but you are '''not''' being a creep. We have a strict rule, that is based on the definition of FANDOM (made by and for fans), and it's important to keep any self-promotion off the wiki for that reason and also just for fairness. So keep up the good work. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::I would suggest [[User:Scrooge MacDuck]] or [[User:OncomingStorm12th]]. They both seem up on latest release info, validity, authors, what-have-you. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Erasing Sherlock == | |||
No, unfortunately I do not have a physical copy. As a result it's really never been clear to me what exactly the differences are between the digital and physical versions, or even how many physical or digital versions exist. Sheesh. Maybe I'll poke around and see if I can get some more clarity on this point if nothing else. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 00:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
:I wasn't familiar, no, but these rock! Can already tell I'll be going deep down this rabbithole… Thank you! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 01:59, 15 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Well, [[Blood Ties: Inside the Grandfather's House (short story)]] is still a redlink, but it's probably the clearest explanation we have. [https://web.archive.org/web/20060412142823/http://www.factionparadox.co.uk/family.htm Archive link] – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 21:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== RE: Thomas Milligan == | |||
Yeah, it could be a localisation issue. I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that the episode had little bits and pieces cut off in some versions in America (and maybe other places too). [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:36, 15 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Re: SMW User Rights == | |||
Hi. Yeah, I know about these user groups. Currently, they don't really restrict what I can so with SMW. There's a few things that I would need them for, but I currently haven't had to do those things yet. I actually have loose plans to apply for admin and probably also these rights once forums are back and I've been able to propose and hopefully implement some of my technical projects (mostly my citations template), but that'll probably be a while. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Concerns with self promotion == | |||
Hey, sorry that I'm only getting back to you now, but the middle of the week is usually a bit busier for me. Now, I've taken some time looking at this and my personal thoughts on the matter are: I also don't think it's the ''greatest'' precedent that people so closely related to the matter of an article to be the one to write it, but it's ''technically'' allowed. | |||
That said, and with your concerns of plagiarism in mind, I'll leave a message on Solt's asking her that, in the future, if she wishes to make and edit to someone's page, that it be original text rather than adapting a pre-existing biography. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Blood Ties == | |||
Hi, sorry for the delay in my response! The FP website was updated 5 times, which is reflected by the "First Edition" – "Fifth Edition" text on [https://web.archive.org/web/20060715095710/http://www.factionparadox.co.uk/ the main page.] The same page gives a date for each update, which was very helpful (for us) of them to do; these dates are listed on [[The Spiral Politic Database]], which iirc appeared in the second edition. With the exception of ''[[The Eleven-Day Empire: A Tour of the Capital (short story)|A Tour of the Capital]]'', everything in the Spiral Politic Database was written by Lawrence Miles. This is confirmed in a few different places. I have no opinion as to whether or not ''Blood Ties'' specifically is narrative, but it was reprinted in full in ''[[The Book of the War (novel)|The Book of the War]]'' – | |||
{{quote|All the material in this book is the copyright of its original authors (2002), except for The Faction Paradox Family, © Lawrence Miles 2001.}} | |||
– so there'd be little point in it being invalid! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 13:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
: I see Nate has already obviated the problem! But yes, in terms of policy, ''if'' we lacked a release date and/or author for a story, those fields should be left blank in the infobox. (If we know something like "there's hard evidence it was somewhere between 1964 and 1967", that can then be discussed in BTS.) <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 18:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Re: BBV scripts == | |||
In the abstract I'd be happy to send ye forth the script to ''[[Sabbath and the King (audio story)|Sabbath and the King]]'', or indeed the recording; but obviously such a thing cannot be done, or linked, on the Wiki. We come once again to the matter of how you may be contacted ''other'' than the Wiki… I suppose at a push I may send you a message on your Community Central message wall?… <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 22:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Subpages == | |||
Oh no, I've just noticed your comment on my sandbox. I really didn't mean any offense! That comment was intended completely lovingly; you know what a fan I am of your plot descriptions – I was just taking the opportunity to highlight one of your best and most thorough. Sincerely hoping I'm missing a joke, I'd really hate if it came off as an attack. Just in case, I've swapped the link out with a different example of the same effect. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
:Okay, thank god, lol. It's a good riff, I just fell for it a little too hard 😅 Well, your summary makes sense to ''me'', for whatever little that's worth! In your absence I tried to think of a way to rearrange it so there's a single section for the North storyline, South, etc, but there's just no use. It's that kind of story! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 17:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC) |
Revision as of 12:29, 7 October 2022
Saying hi
Hey, I saw Scrooge merged City (The Aztecs) into Tenochtitlan and it made me think of you. I hope your absence is due to good things only! – n8 (☎) 20:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome back! How we have missed you! The forums aren't back yet, but that's only because I've been stalling everyone: I wanted to make sure you didn't miss too much… I'll give them the go-ahead now! (I wish!) Very sorry to hear that the circumstances keeping you away have been less than happy, but I'm glad you're still around and hope we can catch up soon. :) – n8 (☎) 02:43, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Welcome back!
Very glad to have you back, friend(?)! And sorry to hear things have been rough. No, still no Forums just yet (though wheels are in motion), but still some good work done. You were missed, though! Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 00:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- More FP Wikification never goes amiss! And yours was a very high standard of it. Though if other projects catch your eye, that's quite alright too. Regarding Golden Age, no, I feel no sense of property over the page, and have been feeling quite bad that I fell off Wikification as I finished my reading, leaving it with that poor little stump of a summary. I'd be very happy (though again, no obligation) if you decided to finish it. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 12:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Re: SMW
Hi, I'd completely forgotten about my SMW guide and I'm glad you've found it useful. I should really get round to finishing it at some point. You can set hidden SMW "tags" using the #set parser function. For your example, you would place the following on Cobweb and Ivory (short story):
{{#set:TheEnemy=Cernunnos}}
Ideally, this would be wrapped in a template like {{Wales crew}} or {{Infobox Story}} but it certainly doesn't have to be.
By Eragon, are you referring to the fantasy book series with a film and video game adaptions? If so, I love that series but I can't think where the Doctor Who references would be. With Transformers, I actually can't believe that it was missed out of the diagram on my user page . That's a big omission. Bongo50 ☎ 11:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wow! I read Eragon before I got into Doctor Who and haven't yet got round to rereading it (it's on my pile of books to read/reread, though) so this is awesome to find out about. I am aware of Cultural references to the Doctor Who universe but I've never really read through it. Bongo50 ☎ 19:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Re: Capaldi interview
Ahh, bugger, thanks for letting me know. I've archived the relevant bits at User:NateBumber/Capaldi interview. – n8 (☎) 13:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- "On mobile", "without Ctrl+F", "for a limited period of time" is exactly the kind of not we use case we should have in mind. You shouldn't need Ctrl+F or a lot of time to find the most important details about a topic: as an example, last night I wanted a quick refresher on Stanley Kubrick, and by skimming the first few paragraphs of his Wikipedia page on my phone, it was trivially easy to find his death date and most notable works within seconds. In contrast, right now you can't even answer the question (for instance) "what episode did the Twelfth Doctor regenerate in?" without scrolling 2/3rds of the way down Twelfth Doctor. The way we prioritize information on pages is broken – but it is fixable. Currently I suspect subpages will be a part of the answer. – n8 (☎) 14:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Re: actor and crew preload
Hi, I'm not SOTO, but I'm pretty certain that the edit to the preload was made erroneously so I have recerted it. Bongo50 ☎ 12:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Sandbox edits
Hello! Saw your last few edits to The Sandbox. On two of the later points I think your worries may be misplaced. With regards to Adventures in Lockdown — its status as a charity work of sorts is known, but then, so are all the Comic Relief specials and more. There is vast precedent for BBC Who works to be covered even if they were part of charity events, and I think the book's position is secure, though in point of fact its existence could be used as a precedent in a thread wanting to revisit the coverage of e.g. charity stories with a licensed Iris.
And as to Time (mythology) — covering the different depictions of Time on one page is part of a wider effort to keep DWU depictions of mythological beings in one place. I think it's clear that a single Zeus that acknowledges different accounts of his true nature/origins, in a The Doctor's species spirit, is much more useful than the undisciplined labyrinth of separate pages for "Zeus as a deity worshipped by historical characters", "Zeus in Deadly Reunion" and "Zeus in The Life Bringer! that we had to deal with before, you know? Covering Time on a single page is the logical extension of that; and it's all the more justified, even from a watsonian point of view, with the allegorical entities depicted — among others — as Menti Celesti, since Platt himself suggested that the core conceptual entities could have many different incarnations each, not just the ones seen in the VNAs. (Also, T:SPOIL prevents, but I have knowledge of certain upcoming releases with an incidence on the specific Time case, that would tip the scales yet further towards keeping them all on one page.) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 15:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry to be a gadfly again, but Tardis:Valid sources already enshrines "multiple-choice" series where an in-universe timey-wimey gimmick means all the paths are true as valid, giving Flip-Flop as an example! (EDIT: Oh, I see you already mentioned as much on the story talk page. Mh. The "you" is a fair cop, but see my reply there.) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Russell Mcgee
I've protected the page for now to only allow autoconfirmed users, which hopefully means new named users can't edit it (at least that's what it used to mean). Keep me posted if you see something else that I miss. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 18:19, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- I feel like this is getting over my head and maybe another admin who is more current on these things could help, but you are not being a creep. We have a strict rule, that is based on the definition of FANDOM (made by and for fans), and it's important to keep any self-promotion off the wiki for that reason and also just for fairness. So keep up the good work. Shambala108 ☎ 17:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- I would suggest User:Scrooge MacDuck or User:OncomingStorm12th. They both seem up on latest release info, validity, authors, what-have-you. Shambala108 ☎ 19:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Erasing Sherlock
No, unfortunately I do not have a physical copy. As a result it's really never been clear to me what exactly the differences are between the digital and physical versions, or even how many physical or digital versions exist. Sheesh. Maybe I'll poke around and see if I can get some more clarity on this point if nothing else. – n8 (☎) 00:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- I wasn't familiar, no, but these rock! Can already tell I'll be going deep down this rabbithole… Thank you! – n8 (☎) 01:59, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- Well, Blood Ties: Inside the Grandfather's House (short story) is still a redlink, but it's probably the clearest explanation we have. Archive link – n8 (☎) 21:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
RE: Thomas Milligan
Yeah, it could be a localisation issue. I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that the episode had little bits and pieces cut off in some versions in America (and maybe other places too). LauraBatham ☎ 08:36, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Re: SMW User Rights
Hi. Yeah, I know about these user groups. Currently, they don't really restrict what I can so with SMW. There's a few things that I would need them for, but I currently haven't had to do those things yet. I actually have loose plans to apply for admin and probably also these rights once forums are back and I've been able to propose and hopefully implement some of my technical projects (mostly my citations template), but that'll probably be a while. Bongo50 ☎ 11:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Concerns with self promotion
Hey, sorry that I'm only getting back to you now, but the middle of the week is usually a bit busier for me. Now, I've taken some time looking at this and my personal thoughts on the matter are: I also don't think it's the greatest precedent that people so closely related to the matter of an article to be the one to write it, but it's technically allowed.
That said, and with your concerns of plagiarism in mind, I'll leave a message on Solt's asking her that, in the future, if she wishes to make and edit to someone's page, that it be original text rather than adapting a pre-existing biography. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 19:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Blood Ties
Hi, sorry for the delay in my response! The FP website was updated 5 times, which is reflected by the "First Edition" – "Fifth Edition" text on the main page. The same page gives a date for each update, which was very helpful (for us) of them to do; these dates are listed on The Spiral Politic Database, which iirc appeared in the second edition. With the exception of A Tour of the Capital, everything in the Spiral Politic Database was written by Lawrence Miles. This is confirmed in a few different places. I have no opinion as to whether or not Blood Ties specifically is narrative, but it was reprinted in full in The Book of the War –
All the material in this book is the copyright of its original authors (2002), except for The Faction Paradox Family, © Lawrence Miles 2001.
– so there'd be little point in it being invalid! – n8 (☎) 13:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- I see Nate has already obviated the problem! But yes, in terms of policy, if we lacked a release date and/or author for a story, those fields should be left blank in the infobox. (If we know something like "there's hard evidence it was somewhere between 1964 and 1967", that can then be discussed in BTS.) Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Re: BBV scripts
In the abstract I'd be happy to send ye forth the script to Sabbath and the King, or indeed the recording; but obviously such a thing cannot be done, or linked, on the Wiki. We come once again to the matter of how you may be contacted other than the Wiki… I suppose at a push I may send you a message on your Community Central message wall?… Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 22:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Subpages
Oh no, I've just noticed your comment on my sandbox. I really didn't mean any offense! That comment was intended completely lovingly; you know what a fan I am of your plot descriptions – I was just taking the opportunity to highlight one of your best and most thorough. Sincerely hoping I'm missing a joke, I'd really hate if it came off as an attack. Just in case, I've swapped the link out with a different example of the same effect. – n8 (☎) 17:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, thank god, lol. It's a good riff, I just fell for it a little too hard 😅 Well, your summary makes sense to me, for whatever little that's worth! In your absence I tried to think of a way to rearrange it so there's a single section for the North storyline, South, etc, but there's just no use. It's that kind of story! – n8 (☎) 17:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)