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:::::If we do, our disagreement is, I suppose, on the degree to which in-story clue can be taken as evidence of "manifest intent". I think, at the level of common sense, characters looking in the Parallel Universe Machine and seeing a conspicuous reference to a given "idiosyncratic" story ''is'' an example of this. We've been focusing on ''Tomorrow Windows'', but much the same principle applies to the glimpses of parallel realities in ''[[Zagreus (audio story)|Zagreus]]'' and palimpsest universes in ''[[The Infinity Doctors (novel)|The Infinity Doctors]]'' (which people [[The Doctor's reality (Doctor Who in an Exciting Adventure with the Daleks)|have]] been [[The Doctor's reality (The Eight Doctors)|Wikifying]] on the [[Virgin reality|assumption]] that they do indeed refer to the stories which are "obviously" being referenced). I don't think there's any real difference between [[Alan Barnes]] or [[Gary Russell]] saying in an interview "in the DWU as presented in ''Zagreus'', ''DCtT'' is a parallel reality coexisting with the Main Range Eighth Doctor's universe", and them writing a script where the Doctor is given a glimpse of the multiverse and gratuitously goes "oh look! over! it's [conspicuous ''DCtT'' reference]". Indeed, as I recall, in the absence of robust BTS quotes, in-story implications have been considered in ordinary Rule 4 discussions before. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 15:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC) | :::::If we do, our disagreement is, I suppose, on the degree to which in-story clue can be taken as evidence of "manifest intent". I think, at the level of common sense, characters looking in the Parallel Universe Machine and seeing a conspicuous reference to a given "idiosyncratic" story ''is'' an example of this. We've been focusing on ''Tomorrow Windows'', but much the same principle applies to the glimpses of parallel realities in ''[[Zagreus (audio story)|Zagreus]]'' and palimpsest universes in ''[[The Infinity Doctors (novel)|The Infinity Doctors]]'' (which people [[The Doctor's reality (Doctor Who in an Exciting Adventure with the Daleks)|have]] been [[The Doctor's reality (The Eight Doctors)|Wikifying]] on the [[Virgin reality|assumption]] that they do indeed refer to the stories which are "obviously" being referenced). I don't think there's any real difference between [[Alan Barnes]] or [[Gary Russell]] saying in an interview "in the DWU as presented in ''Zagreus'', ''DCtT'' is a parallel reality coexisting with the Main Range Eighth Doctor's universe", and them writing a script where the Doctor is given a glimpse of the multiverse and gratuitously goes "oh look! over! it's [conspicuous ''DCtT'' reference]". Indeed, as I recall, in the absence of robust BTS quotes, in-story implications have been considered in ordinary Rule 4 discussions before. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 15:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
Once again me typing things out, thinking it was clear in my head but it not quite coming across correctly. Yes, the hypothetical DCtT sequel is ''also'' explicitly part of the mainstream DWU in some way. It's then billed as a DCtT sequel, but contradicts DCtT wildly. (I'm aware of [[The Minister of Chance (series)|The Minister of Chance]], which I wasn't discussing.) The issue I'm trying to make clear is that ''in-universe'' it's not continuous with DCtT, or at least not clearly so, and it's only through ''out of universe comments'' that we can connect the two. Under your proposal this doesn't seem to validate DCtT, since you're placing an emphasis on continuity. | |||
Can you point me to any stories with the Alan Davies Doctor? I can point you to stories in "the VNA reality." Again, I think my reading of Tomorrow Windows is more plausible. Especially given [https://twitter.com/jonnymorris1973/status/1413442496386899970 these] [https://twitter.com/jonnymorris1973/status/372026874156699649 tweets]. (Morris is not a fan of Shalka, and he's also joked about the Alan Davies Doctor.) It's precisely this kind of tea leaf reading I want to avoid, saying we should simply wait for a direct statement from an author as to their intent with a book. It's got some nice symmetry to our original policy. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
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