Forum:Temporary forums/Replacing docpic

Currently, a number of pages use of {{docpic}} and similar templates to produce rotating slideshows of images in the infobox. This is better than just having a single image in the infobox as it allows us to better represent the subject matter when they have multiple incarnations. However, it leads to some very annoying issues.

Firstly, it can cause the loading of pages to be very slow on less powerful computers and, even after loading, remain stuttery and cause the slowdown of the entire page. Secondly and perhaps more quantifiable and significant is how these templates display on mobile. Take a look at the Doctor's page with the mobile skin. As you can see, images appear stacked on top of each other, taking up a lot of vertical space. This leads to none of the actual infobox being visible when semi-collapsed which defeats the whole point of having a semi-collapsed state. The effect is worse on mobile devices where screen real-estate is at a premium.

The solution is to replace these with tabbed galleries. These are already in place on a handful of pages, such as Henry Jekyll and Edward Hyde, and entirely fix both of the issues I presented above. Notice how the images appear side-by-side on mobile. If they cross the width of the screen, they become scrollable horizontally which is far easier to navigate and takes up far less space. Creating this effect is easy, simply requiring placing something like

|image       = <gallery>
Jekyll.jpg|Henry Jekyll
Hyde.jpg|Edward Hyde
</gallery>

in the infobox. This is also much more extendable than the slide show templates, allowing new images to be added and multiple images to be introduced on new pages much more easily. It also removes any issues with adjusting timings (which can only be done via CSS) as this is no longer relevant.

I hope that this proposal can be passed quickly as I feel it is relatively trivial, but we'll see. Thoughts? Bongo50 ☎ 20:49, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

This is straightforward enough, and so objectively a quality of life improvement, that I wouldn't have minded if you'd just gone ahead and done it without polling the community! Enthusiastic and unequivocal support. – n8 (☎) 20:53, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree with n8, and the proposal is well-reasoned and sound. I've occasionally experienced issues with the rotating galleries glitching or loading slowly, so I'd welcome this. Making a tabbed gallery also allows for each image to have a caption, even if it's simply "1" "2" "3" etc. in the case of the Doctors, which is somewhat handy for newcomers.

Quick question: take the Doctor's main tabbed gallery then, would the first image be of the most recent Doctor, or would it always be of the first Doctor with users able to tab through them chronologically? FractalDoctor ☎ 21:00, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I was thinking that either chronological order or reverse chronological order is best. I'm leaning towards reverse chronological order. Bongo50 ☎ 21:04, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Consider me in support of this common sense change. Pluto2 (talk) 21:10, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Hand on heart, I have absolutely no hesitancy in extending my support for this proposal. Furthermore, tabbed galleries will also mean we won't have to create somewhat complex templates everytime a new character with multiple incarnations is Wikified.

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21:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I think reverse chronological order might be the best way to go in the case of the Doctor's page - so newcomers always see the most recent Doctor first (even though other pages tend to go chronologically). Similarly with the Master, due to the amount of them? What do other people think? Also, will the same images be used for the time being? FractalDoctor ☎ 21:20, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I think the same images would be used for now, as actually changing the photos is a discussion for the relevant page's talk page. Anyways, I also strongly support this, {{docpic}} is awkward and always irked me, tabs are much more elegant and user friendly. Personally, I'd lean towards chronological order even if this shows the First Doctor first, but I feel like there might be a way for some tabs to present the last one by default? I've seen this on other wikis, though I've no clue how it works… Chubby Potato ☎

Are you able to link to a wiki where this works? I can see if it's feasible to implement here. Bongo50 ☎ 22:02, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I've seen it elsewhere, but I had in mind Zelda Wiki for one. In fact, they also separate types of images (artwork, renders, models and sprites), prioritizing in that order, but prioritizing the most recent game in each of those. Chubby Potato ☎ 22:15, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I support the tabbed galleries. I've seen them used with great success on other wikis and it would be preferable for a user to select images at their leisure than watch the current Docpic and the like which slowly shifts through images in a random order. MrThermomanPreacher ☎ 22:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Complete support for this on my end. The slideshow is not only slow, it is extremely buggy. Not only do I have to wait to see a certain image, the template sometimes reverts back to the first image in the row every time it gets to a new image. Danniesen ☎ 09:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Is there a quick way to identify all the pages which use the current {docpic} style slideshow? I came across Dalek Prime, and therefore wonder how many would need updating if this proposal went ahead. FractalDoctor ☎ 15:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

They should all be here.

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15:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)