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|firstTW            = The Vanishing Ray (comic story)
|firstTW            = The Vanishing Ray (comic story)
|appearances      = [[Jeff Tracy - list of appearances|'''''see list''''']]
|appearances      = [[Jeff Tracy - list of appearances|'''''see list''''']]
}}So I had this idea a few days ago, and I thought it would be a good idea to pitch it to the fourms. It's a really good idea I think, and it's something a little less contentious than some of the other big rule changes we've been making. It's basically about inter-wiki linking and infoboxes.
}}So I had this idea a few days ago, and I thought it would be a good idea to pitch it to the fourms. It's a really good idea I think, and it's something a little less contentious than some of the other big rule changes we've been making. It's basically about inter-wiki linking and infoboxes.{{Infobox off-wiki first
{{Infobox off-wiki first
|name = Johnny Chess
|name = Johnny Chess
|alias        = Johnny Chester, The beast of rock and roll
|alias        = Johnny Chester, The beast of rock and roll
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|firstTW        = Byzantium! (novel)
|firstTW        = Byzantium! (novel)
|appearances  = [[PROSE]]: ''[[The King of Terror (novel)|The King of Terror]]''
|appearances  = [[PROSE]]: ''[[The King of Terror (novel)|The King of Terror]]''
}}
}}For many many years, infoboxes on TARDIS wiki have had the "first=" variable. Historically, this has been used to denote the first ''valid source'' where this character appears. Despite sounding simple, caused a lot of headaches. For instance, [[Zog (The Ultimate Adventure)|Zog]] from the stage play ''[[The Ultimate Adventure (stage play)|Doctor Who: The Ultimate Adventure]]'' once listed a short trips story as his premiere story, despite this being an out-of-universe variable.
For many many years, infoboxes on TARDIS wiki have had the "first=" variable. Historically, this has been used to denote the first ''valid source'' where this character appears. Despite sounding simple, caused a lot of headaches. For instance, [[Zog (The Ultimate Adventure)|Zog]] from the stage play ''[[The Ultimate Adventure (stage play)|Doctor Who: The Ultimate Adventure]]'' once listed a short trips story as his premiere story, despite this being an out-of-universe variable.


We recently changed this, making the standing rule that the ''earliest piece of fiction that Tardis Wiki has a page about'' will be the "first" variable for this topic. So Zog's page now says his first appearance is the stage play, even thought it's not a valid source.
We recently changed this, making the standing rule that the ''earliest piece of fiction that Tardis Wiki has a page about'' will be the "first" variable for this topic. So Zog's page now says his first appearance is the stage play, even thought it's not a valid source.

Revision as of 01:37, 12 April 2023

Introduction

So I had this idea a few days ago, and I thought it would be a good idea to pitch it to the fourms. It's a really good idea I think, and it's something a little less contentious than some of the other big rule changes we've been making. It's basically about inter-wiki linking and infoboxes.

For many many years, infoboxes on TARDIS wiki have had the "first=" variable. Historically, this has been used to denote the first valid source where this character appears. Despite sounding simple, caused a lot of headaches. For instance, Zog from the stage play Doctor Who: The Ultimate Adventure once listed a short trips story as his premiere story, despite this being an out-of-universe variable.

We recently changed this, making the standing rule that the earliest piece of fiction that Tardis Wiki has a page about will be the "first" variable for this topic. So Zog's page now says his first appearance is the stage play, even thought it's not a valid source.

However, I've now realized that this shift in rules actually might give us a chance to go even further with this. Basically, I am proposing the introduction of a new variable for infoboxes:

|firstTW=

So why would we ever need this? Well, the idea is that we specifically would only use this for characters and concepts which originated in non-DW stories, and that instead we would use first= to denote their actual premiere in fiction. THEN we would use the firstTW variable to list their first appearance in a story we have a page on.

So, Mickey Mouse's first variable would link w:c:disney:Steamboat Willie. Jeff Tracy's first variable would list w:c:Thunderbirds:Trapped in the Sky. (obviously in each of these cases we'd hide the inter-wiki guts and gears, but I wanted you to be able to see how it works if you're not familiar)

I originally wanted to have it be "firstDWU", with the infobox text reading "First DWU appearance," but I realized this would just reset us to things which are non-valid being once again discluded from the first variable... But I'm open to alternate suggestions.

Also, in these cases we'd want to retire |only=. Having Picard's page list Assimilation2 as his only story would not make it totally clear that the "first" link goes off-wiki. Also, I think it should go without saying that we'd really only do this for franchised concepts. There's no need for, like, John Lennon to list w:c:Beatles:My Bonnie (EP) or for Globe Theatre to list Julius Caesar (play) or whatever.

I also don't think this should apply to Doctor Who concepts which have been retconned to being related to other franchises. Like, I know the novels in the 90s were all excited about constantly retconning that, uh, Kandyman is Cthulhu or whatever. But I would still list The Abominable Snowmen as the first appearance of the Great Intelligence. I would not list w:c:Lovecraft:The Case of Charles Dexter Ward. But if the page for Yog-Sothoth had an infobox, sure you could list it there.

However, I think we should also consider the obvious topic of Doctor Who Universe characters and concepts which originated in things meant to be set in the Doctor Who Universe which we otherwise don't cover. An example might be Johnny Chess, who was introduced in a short story seen in the Perfect Timing Charity Anthologies. There are obviously many other examples of things like this.

The test template I'm using in this OP is at Template:Infobox off-wiki first. I changed barely anything, it's probably not good enough to be used right away, and I am not good at coding templates. But this is the basic idea of what I'm suggesting.

Complications

There are only one big complication I can think of for this.

While our infoboxes will allow very easily for FANDOM wikis to be linked, off-site wikis are going to be a challenge to link in the infobox. So far, there are three non-FANDOM wikis I can think of that we would want to link for this: TFwiki, the Magrsverse, and Wikipedia.

TFwiki we'd need to cite for Death's Head (Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!), Magrsverse wiki we'd want for a few things but mostly Iris Wildthyme (Marked for Life) and then Wikipedia for... I don't know, something where the first story isn't popular enough to have a wiki but does have a Wikipedia page. I don't have an example. Sue me.

So basically, we may need to either make a functioning template that making off-FANDOM linking more realistic, or we need a second variable, something like:

|firstoffsite =

Which would just let you do a typical [link title] sorta vibe. I went ahead and added this to the template... and it pretty much works!

Here is what I inputed to create the Death's Head infobox on the right:

|firstoffsite = ''[https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Wanted:_Galvatron_%E2%80%94_Dead_or_Alive! Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!]''
|firstTW = The Crossroads of Time (comic story)

Tell me what you all think! OS25🤙☎️ 23:17, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

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