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| ==Table of contents shift==
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| Heya, just wanted to drop a note on your page about why I reverted ''your'' reversion of my changes to the various infoboxes. The moving of the TOC to the right is to help avoid the huge masses of white space that can occur on pages with long tables of content, like episode pages. I've spent the last couple of days examining the wiki on a page by page basis to determine whether it is, as you've alleged in your revision notes, making "all the pages" look bad. And that's certainly not the case in the various skins and browsers I've examined. The matter will of course be put up for discussion at the forum, so you'll have a chance to participate then, perhaps as soon as today. Because this change behaves in a highly individualistic way — every page looks different — I just wanted to be able to study it before proposing the change be made permanent. I hope you understand that the matter can't be properly considered by the community at large unless you leave the change in place until the discussion is closed. Thanks :) '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 16:50, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Just to follow up on one of your revision notes, this is not an issue which could have been tested on some sandbox before "going live" on the site. It's not actually a new template, over which the coder can have precise control. It's simply the moving of the TOC, which is different on every page, to the right-hand side of the page. It must be observed as a "live" feature in order to fairly assess its performance. And as for "site staff", I have no idea what you mean. ''We'' '''are''' the site staff. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 16:59, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
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| ::One of the fundamental rules of wiki editing is the concept of [[wikipedia:wikipedia:Bold|being bold]]. Unlike Wikipedia, however, we don't have a "staff" here, so much as three or four active admins. Unless people actually grab the bull by the horns and change things, nothing gets done. That said, I am a big proponent of putting things up for community discussion. It's just that this particular change has to be seen to be discussed intelligently. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:08, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
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| :::Hi again :) Look, it's no big thing, but you might want to be careful throwing around a word like "vandalism". Especially since my changes were annotated in the revision history. And since it's obvious I've been carrying on conversations with other users about this change. Vandalism doesn't mean "a change I don't like". It means the intentional changing of an article in an unconstructive way, such as blanking it, filling it with irrelevant text, the addition of advertising, or the like. This is an effort to ''improve'' the text flow of articles. You may not like the way it looks, but that doesn't make it vandalism, a very serious charge. It has already been examined and commented upon by [[user:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]], who has accepted that it must be examined "live" on pages. If you look at the history of my nearly 15,000 contributions, I think you'll find it extremely unlikely that I'd intentionally commit an act of vandalism. I'd appreciate it if you assumed I was editing in good faith — just as I believe that your reversion was done in good faith, if without understanding fully what was going on. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:48, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
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| {{Please see|Moving the tables of content to the right}} '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 20:54, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Speculation ==
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| Speculation is where a user makes predictions about what things mean with nothing to back it up. What is on the Howling halls page is relevant information that is sourced using all available material in the story. [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]] 17:15, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| :The users are throwing out possibilities and what things mean with nothing explict to back it up. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 17:17, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| Lol, so polite. But no. Lets just see what Mr. Duel has to say, he may take your side :) --[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 17:48, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Note ==
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| Jenny is an "In-universe article" - which mean is the info something the Doctor Who universe, all that information should be one after the other (eg.g Biography, personality, see also). Behind the scenes should go at the end because it is "out of universe" which means is information from the real world. It is easier to have everything that is on and in-universe page to have everything in-universe together to starts the page, and the behind the scenes, the only out of universe section in the in-universe article, to come last.
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| Also note, that an admin added the bit of information on the Howling Halls to stop this edit war. I would view there comments on the talk page, as it suggest User who have edit may be blocked. [[User:Mini-mitch |Mini-mitch]] 19:58, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
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| I agree with the above.--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 20:00, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
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| ::I refer you to [[Tardis:Guide to writing Individuals articles|this]]. This states that all additional sub headings, expect footnotes and External links should come before Behind the scenes. I would also like to say that Tangerineduel made it himself. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 20:05, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
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| :::The heading 'Additional sub-headings'. Now, if there is not section in that article about See also, that may suggest that See also is grouped as additional sub-headings (even although it does not say, you your common sense). [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 20:20, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
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| == See Also ==
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| I do see that you are right on this occassion. however the see also section does belong above behind the scenes as it is in-universe where as behind the scenes is out of universe and should be seperated accordingly. I will raise the issue on the forum. [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]] 20:04, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Hi ==
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| Please stop ruining this wiki. You’re obviously wrong if everything you do is reverted. This wiki is meant for positive editing. You are a new user (sort of); you do not know what you're doing so people gave you some slack. You took the mick, stop please. Thank you--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 20:10, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
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| :I am following the rules; it's not my problem if you aren't. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 20:12, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
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| So when Tangerineduel backed our action to keep the Howling Halls as it was WE were breaking the rules bby upholding that ruling?
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| :What are you talking about? He just voted to keep the page, so the page is kept. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 20:19, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Cold Star ==
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| Why did your edit involve adding a line of nothing at the bottom of the page? Also, the badly written sentence above was not me.--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 18:35, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
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| :It's a space; added to better distinguish parts of the page. I do it to make editing easier for myself and other users. Is it against policy? --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 18:38, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
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| It was at the end of the Page, how is that useful. It is not against policy, just an enquiry. Remember to reply to Users on their talk pages. They can easily see when you have replied. Thanks--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 18:41, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Story pages ==
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| Hi. Story pages are out of universe. This has been confirmed time and time again through ''several'' rounds of forum discussion, stretching back years. The lead sections are completely appropriate. Please do not move the leads that I've been painstakingly writing. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 01:52, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Just to clarify, that means the entirety of story page are real world. See, for instance, the appropriate tag up at ''[[The Mind of Evil]]''. Leads, therefore are there to give an overview of the entire significance of a serial. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 01:54, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
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| ::On what basis do you judge the lead too long? How did you decide which parts to remove and which parts to keep. You just randomly chopped certain paragraphs. What's important to you in the lead may not be important to others. The lead was designed to accommodate the interests of a wide variety of readers. In sum, the lead didn't offend ''any'' rule on the wiki, so you have no grounds to hack it up. Yhid is an unusually long lead because ''Hive'' stands at the gateway of a new era of ''Doctor Who''. It deserves the extra space. Clearly you and I have different views on this. Let's not get into an edit war. Let's restore my original lead text and have it discussed by the wider community. You know, like you're ''supposed'' to do on a wiki. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 02:09, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
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| ==Pages==
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| Leave the Howling Halls page '''ALONE''' until we come to an agreement, this goes for [[Rassilon's Final Solution]] page as well. If no agreement is reached, then ask other User for their opinion until we get to one. Otherwise, it should stay as it is. As for the edit war, if we continue to make any more edits to the Howling Halls, it will be seen as an edit war, and we will be blocked for a period of time. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 22:04, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| :Nothing has come to an argeement regarding that though, right? --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 22:06, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| ::Yes, so leave it as it was, before this edit war started, until a decision is reached. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 22:09, January 24, 2011 (UTC
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| :::The edit war policy? That if User undo edit on the same page within a space of 12-36 more than 4 time, they will be blocked for around a day? It's on the policy page. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 22:15, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Anti-Oil ==
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| I'm going to agree with you and leave it till a community decision is reached. (Just like what we should do with the Howling Halls, but in that case, leave it with the sentence until a decision (we can use both as references)). [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 20:09, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
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| == Discussion in Forums ==
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| Could I ask you to leave your thoughts on the discussion on speculation in forum [[Forum:Speculation - What is and was isn't?|here?]]. Thanks. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 21:22, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
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