Talk:Gods (Omega)

Aren't these just Time Lords?

By the principle set by the Faction Paradox threads, the wiki allows for a degree of transitive property. If

1. a licensed work (Underworld) says "The Time Lords did things X, Y, and Z to the Minyans," and
2. a later work that's licensed to use the Minyans (Omega) says "Things X, Y, and Z were done to the Minyans by this group who they called gods," and
3. there are other licensed works which say "Time Lords are commonly seen as or called gods" (cf, like, a billion Doctor Who stories)

... we're allowed to do the obvious thing. We're not an author wiki, we're a fan wiki; if 100% of fans read it and go "Yeah these are obviously Time Lords," that's what our coverage should say, too. This is the principle which lets us go, "Yeah, the Great Houses are the Time Lords, and the Homeworld is Gallifrey." So in this scenario, can't we just come out and say that the Gods of the Minyans are Time Lords? – n8 (☎) 02:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I think the Homeworld treatment requires that the term "gods" be used in the licensed story related to Time Lords. I did plan on making a discussion about this, but after the forum threads were back, since I wanted to have the original precedent to refer to. Najawin ☎ 02:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, quite right. As it is, the first paragraph of our plot summary for Underworld literally uses the pipe switch [[Time Lord|the gods]] to refer to the gods of the Minyans, so I'm sure that criterion is satisfied as well. – n8 (☎) 02:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

It really, really is, very explicitly too.

As used in the timeships of the gods.Orfe

Well, the Minyans thought of us as gods, you see, which was all very flattering and we were new at space-time explorations, so we thought we could help.The Doctor

(Dig this pre-FP use of "timeships" for "TARDIS", by the way.)

Mind you, I am not sure the standard works quite how User:Najawin says it does. There is a transitive property of concepts also. We don't need a pre-FP source which uses the capitalised term "Homeworld" and says "the Homeworld is Gallifrey"; all that is necessary is that a source say "the members of the Great Houses are the Time Lords", and if we have that link, it can follow that "the home planet of the Great Houses", whether it be called "the Homeworld" or "the Planet of Smeerps", is Gallifrey.

But yeah, these guys are definitely Time Lords under the Homeworld Principle. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:08, 5 April 2021 (UTC)