Talk:Wallowing in Pessimism's Mire (anthology)

Did this ever even exist?

I kinda got the impression that this was an in-joke made up by Andrew Hickey and Simon Bucher-Jones. I mean, it was deleted from the Obverse wiki. CoT ? 02:31, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

I think what happened here was that it was only available for two months. --Pluto2 (talk) 02:36, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

The one source of all of this information seems very unrealistic and tongue-in-cheek. CoT ? 02:41, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

I think the only way to settle this is to check through http://archive.org whether or not it was actually there during that period of two months.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 03:02, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

To clarify, I deleted that Wiki page per request from Stuart Douglas for reasons completely tangential to whether or not it was ever published. He just didn't want it on the Wiki; as I understand it, it was a considerable regret for Obverse. NateBumber ☎ 06:26, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, the cat is out of the bag on this one, and we all know that this was a hoax. However, might I suggest the recreation of this page explaining the hoax, as an entry in category:fandom? Finding serious information about this hoax without bumping into people purporting the hoax isn't exactly easy, so having a Wiki page explaining the history of the hoax would be genuinely useful, especially seeing as @Najawin, and I'm sure many other readers, genuinely believed this to be real.

Epsilon📯 📂

19:17, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I would agree that that seems like a good idea. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 19:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I disagree; there have been hundreds or thousands of rumors and hoaxes related to Doctor Who over the last half century, and I don't see why this should be the sole one to receive a page on this wiki. We don't even have a page on the Omnirumour! A page about Wallowing would be a weird and disruptive place to start. – n8 (☎) 22:05, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Agree with User:NateBumber. I know some people think we should cover everything and anything related to DW on this wiki, but in practice that's not what we do. If someone wants to start a sister wiki based on the hundreds of rumors and hoaxes, that would be kinda interesting, but that information won't be posted here. Shambala108 ☎ 23:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

That is good reasoning, I am convinced. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) ☎ 09:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

While this talk page has died down, it is clear to me now that my request was misguided and shall not be repeated. Wallowing... would be a weird place to start, and as far as I can tell now, it does seem to have existed at somepoint. Definitely.

Epsilon📯 📂

18:37, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I've just re-read this discussion and I've formed a new opinion. I think we should have a page on this hoax because, as far as I am aware, it was spread by people with official connections to Faction Paradox and Obverse Books. This differentiates it from the majority of hoaxes in my opinion. Bongo50 ☎ 19:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

But it's not a hoax though, why on all the Earths would Obverse Books lie about deciding to pull an anthology that is clearly a major embarrassment for them? :>

Epsilon📯 📂

19:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

And there's the thing: this is portrayed as real so much that I, and I'm sure many others, am genuinely unsure as to whether this is a hoax or not. If it is real, it should have a page documenting it like we do for any other licensed DWU-release. If it is a hoax, it should have a page explaining it as it seems to be pretty notable. Earlier, I actually searched the wiki to try and determine if this is real or not and the only information I could find was a bit in the notes of Wringing Off (novel). That is not helpful to anyone. Bongo50 ☎ 19:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I've thought about this a little bit. No easy solution, though the discussion taking place on the FP forums about it might be helpful in the long term. If I ever end up writing a DWU story I'll probably put in a section including a bunch of lost/fake media in passing (eg, The Navidson Record, Poetics vol II, Inventio Fortunata, the Sherlock S4e4 script) and include this. Then there can be a wiki page for the in universe version that discusses the OOU version. :> Najawin ☎ 19:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think you should need to write a DWU story to allow a useful page like this to exist. Bongo50 ☎ 19:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Considering the fact that this Wiki doesn't cover hoaxes, plus the fact that lots of information comes from places like GallifreyBase, which we can't cite, and that T:NO SELF REF would stop us from citing pretty much everybody else, this shouldn't be covered here. However, I have just spent the last six hours combining the internet, crusading for information on this veritable Holy Grail, and have created a page for the lost anthology on the Faction Paradox Wiki — Wallowing in Pessimism's Mire.

Epsilon📯 📂

20:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I feel like I'm missing something here: is the anthology real or a hoax? The page on the FP wiki seems to suggest that it's real, yet it's not covered here as it's a hoax. Bongo50 ☎ 08:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

The FP page appears to be incredibly biased, so much so that I doubt its accuracy. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 08:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Biased in which direction? I've scrolled through its references and they seem to include every relevant link. – n8 (☎) 13:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Biased in favour of inclusion. DrWHOCorrieFan ☎ 14:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion of what, exactly?

Epsilon📯 📂

16:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)