User talk:Mini-mitch

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Hidden cats

Got a reply back from Dopp today, which reads:

Thanks for contacting us about this issue. We've phased out that preference due to lack of use across Wikia, and anyone who still has it is grandfathered in until they select "Restore all default settings" in their preferences. We don't currently have a way of overriding this phase-out.

Hidden Categories still work, however, and you can see them in Category:Hidden categories and in your pages' source code (although i see that you're embedding them in templates, too, so that further complicates things). Apologies for the complications this raises. I hope the existing tools provide enough of a workaround for your team members to support the wiki.

I've responded with a feature request to just make it a standard admin power to see hidden categories. This is, I'm sure, technically possible, but I wouldn't hold out hope. If that change is technically easy — which it might be — then someone on the dev team might say, "Yeah, that's worth 1 minute of my time." If it's at all time-consuming, I wouldn't expect much action, because the move has a terrible cost/benefit ratio for Wikia. It's only a few big wikis like us, MemAlpha, and Wookieepedia that even care about hidden cats, despite the fact that they are in wide use on Wikipedia. So we're effectively asking for something for us, rather than a change that most of Wikia will actually use.

Basically, in your position, your only hope of access to hidden cats is to go to Hidden categories or Maintenance, where most of the hidden categories are attached.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">18:31: Fri 02 Mar 2012 

Rory's main page image

This is what you said last night when I edited the main image to the Rory page:

"SO what if its new - it's better to have a older, better quality quality picture than an badly cropped, poor quality newer one."

Now, to be honest I don't appreciate this as it quite rude really. The image is taken from a BBC One HD screencap - the quality is good, it is not poor. It's not badly cropped either - I just cropped Amy's hair out as it's not relevant to the Rory page is it?

There's no need to be rude like that. There really isn't.

I'm just doing this because I find it contradictory as Rory's current page image

should really be cropped as half of it doesn't contain Rory.

Portriat images on this wiki help the page flow much better which is what I was trying to do. The fact its a newer image too, which I've been told on here before is the best thing to have makes the page more upto date. That's a key thing surely?

The current landscape image scrunches the page up and doesn't make it flow well, so surely one that is much better for that, irrespective of whether it's super high quality is surely better? Beside, when the page is at it is, the image doesn't appear high quality until you click to see it full-sized, so surely my image, which is the same quality all the time is much more suitable?

I just hope you reconsider this as I didn't appreciate your rude reason last night. Atleast I've had constructive criticism before in the past, not just plain rudeness, so I'll leave it at that.

--Bbll22 ^{talk to me} 11:38, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Voice actors

Thanks for the great suggestion! {{{voice actor}}} is now a part of {{Infobox Individuals}}. I've also thrown in {{{other actor}}} for those cases of performances of characters in limited narrative circumstances, like youth/age/alternate universe/because Frazer Hines got sick/because William Hartnell inconveniently died. See them in operation at Fourth Doctor and Sarah Jane Smith.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">05:42: Sun 11 Mar 2012 

Cardiff, Wales

Personally, I'm not sure either way. Though putting "[Earth country], Earth" I would absolutely never do. I completely agree Cardiff, Wales, UK, Earth isn't right.

I think I put it up because of the way it flows more than it being necessary. What would you say about smaller towns like Foxgrove or Dry Springs with that pattern? -- Tybort (talk page) 20:45, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I wasn't thinking of that at all. I was fine with [City] for major cities and [City], [Country/State] for smaller and fictitious places. I considered the [City] style was because most people know what you mean by London, Liverpool, Beijing and so forth and you wouldn't for much smaller villages and [City], [Country/State] would be okay for them. I was just double checking you thought that was okay. -- Tybort (talk page) 20:54, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I gather you intend the same pattern for story infoboxes as well? -- Tybort (talk page) 20:55, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Requested variables

• Home era/Era active/anything like it. No. Just no. Not going into that minefield again. It's out for good. As you'll remember, in the thread Forum:Home Era you yourself de-activated the line after a lengthy discussion that was well attended by a lot of people. As far as I'm concerned, you determined the consensus on the matter and implemented change based on that consensus. If you want it back, now, you'll have to reverse yourself and get it approved through the forums. And it does rather look like both I and Tangerineduel were strongly opposed to it in the original discussion, so I wouldn't expect a reversal from either of us, unless you come up with arguments not originally put forward. I've got a bot run planned to eliminate all that data, based on the original consensus, so if you're going to start a new discussion, please let me know in the next 24 hours, or the point will be moot anyway.
• Affiliation is a part of {{Infobox Individual}}, as has been written up in the documentation.

So that's two for three on new variable requests. That's pretty good. Keep 'em comin'! (But please use Forum:New infoboxes and you from now on, so that it's all centralised.)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">21:44: Sun 11 Mar 2012 

New achievements

Any chance I might be able to get you to find me some appropriate images from MA covers which would complete the MA novels achievement track that's in place at tardistest? I've got all the level names done, but I never got around to getting pics.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">23:33: Sun 11 Mar 2012 

Eighth Doctor infobox pic

Hey, sorry to jump on it so quickly, but I've deleted the pic you just uploaded for the Eighth Doctor. That pic, or one very like it, was what was on the page for a long time, and then deliberately deleted, per the discussion at talk:Eighth Doctor#Infobox pic. The one in the elevator was arrived at after quite a bit of discussion and it's actually pretty great. Is it left-looking? No, but it's not right-looking, and the body angles are all slanted left, because he's standing left, but looking up.

A part of the deal in changing out these doc pics is to emphasize the need for, as much as is allowed by the body of work of the actor, extreme closeups in infoboxes.

The elevator shot ticks the boxes of a great infobox pic, and, moreover, it was agreed through discussion. What we really need is a more characteristic Tenth Doctor pic that's tight, left looking and preferably smiling rather than the dour I'm-about-to-die thing that's currently going on. I could look for it, but I need to get back to infoboxes.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">15:35: Wed 14 Mar 2012 

Untitled message 1

hi, did you delete a page called World Of The Giants?

hi, i am called Mini-Mitch and i am a donkey.

Picture on Hop Pyleen

Why did you remove File:Pyleen.jpg from the Hop Pyleen article?Americanwhofan ^{talk to me} 17:01, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Zygon

File:Zygons Attack of the Graske.jpg

The image is in it's "I don't want to update" mode, so I posted it on your page.

Yeah, sorry, lemme explain. Both Wikipedia and Tardis wiki suggested that the Zygons appeared int this episode, so I searched through the episode, looked at all the scenes with pods, and found that the Zygon was either this or this, possibly some horrendous re-imagining, and after studying the clip, I realized that it was obviously the first. I have increased the pictures quality and found a better frame, so I hope you can now see it. compare File:Zygons Attack of the Graske.jpg to File:Mo zy01.jpg. You can defiantly see the yellow-head-sucker-coral-things on his head.... OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 22:37, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

MA GOR

Yeah, I was kinda wondering what happened to the MA thing. Do me a favour and just upload the raw pictures you've got to w:c:tardistest. That is, completely bypass Special:AchievementsCustomize and upload them normally. I'll then take the raw pics and figure out what to do about the rest. Thanks for your work on this so far!

As for Confidential, yes, absolutely go for it. By the way, the new conflicts one may seem silly at first since there are so few pages in the category, but I'm going to be doing a major revamp on the infobox that will give people something to play with for a bit. Lots of little fiddly changes to make, so I figured people should be rewarded. Kinda the same logic as the classic series editing track. And that's worked well; people seemed to have rallied in the cause to make sure the novelisation gets put into the infobox, and to sorta condense the infobox language.

There'll probably be a few more achievement tracks to support new infoboxes over the coming days. I've got about 10 planned, which means that realistically 5 will materialise.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">15:56: Fri 30 Mar 2012 

Infoboxes

Sorry about that! I must have missed that forum discussion. I've been taking a break from the Wiki for a while. I'm removing them now anyway. I assume that the same rule applies to "(regenerates)" in a Doctor's final story? Oh, and thanks for the compliment!

--GusF ^{talk to me} 20:06, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

GOR: CON

Your pics all look great, and I really like the motif of using CON narrators! I've gone ahead and started the track here at tardis. All you need do is add your pics to the mix. Note that the track is called "CON episodes edit track", as I'm getting in a quick name change to the category before the track is enabled. Within the next few minutes, all CON episodes will be under the simplified name Category:CON episodes.

I've gone ahead and saved new names for each award at Special:AchievementsCustomize. Here's a little trick about naming that I didn't understand at first. When choosing names, we need to remember that the name of the award appears in the context of a sentence which goes "Blah blah blah the "<award name>" badge blah blah blah". Therefore, to make the sentence work best, we don't want to start with the or end with award, cause that would mean we'd get a sentence that went "Blah blah blah the "The <award name> Award" badge blah blah". So I've tinkered with the names to make them fit the sentence.

Anyway, this one looks done to me. Feel free to add your pics and enable the track at any time. Thanks for the great track!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">13:52: Tue 03 Apr 2012 

stubs

I disagree Boblipton ^{talk to me} 13:07, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Both. Why have a category for stubs if one is not to use them? Nor do I believe that the extra space between the sections makes the page look worse. It makes it look better. Boblipton ^{talk to me} 13:25, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Dimensions in Time

Look, I know you apparently don't like File:Big_Ron_Hole_Frame.jpg, But I think it works very well at thumbnail size, despite your suggestion that you "can't tell what it is..." I also DID put it through colour correction and sharpening the file... Certainly you can see that in the file history section... But, like I said, It's easy to make the image out, and it dosen't look THAT bad up close, just a bit graphic-y... But as a thumbnail it looks fine. I truly don't see what's wrong with it... OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 21:29, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Images

Why do you keep deleting my images for being more than 250px? Isn't the rule that it can't be LESS than 250px? I know for one that File:Varga.jpg was at least 400px on the original upload. So in other words, there was no reason to delete it for size. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 15:45, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ops! I meant to link to File:Varga2.jpg... Yeah, I have been trying to clean up my images before uploading them, and I'm going to try and get a better copy of Attack of the Cybermen out. I tried very hard to update and clean up File:Peri main less blurry.jog, and I thought it looked pretty good, especially compared to pictures I uploaded next to it. I had even tried to make the pixilated-bit more clear. But besides these two images I mostly understand the problems you have. 18:00, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

You did actually delete File:Varga2.jpg erroneously. It was, as far as I could see, completely within T:ICC. I've restored it. It certainly wasn't <250px, but rather above 400px. Since there are no telesnaps available from the 60s, the only place we can get an in-universe image is City of Daleks, so OS25's shot is just about the best we're gonna get. I'd already deleted a previous attempt of his for poor aspect ratio, and the newest Varga2.jpg was in full compliance with my requests.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">20:11: Mon 09 Apr 2012 

External Links

1: Every time I look at the "Manual of Style" I am overcome with a desire to rephrase it in grammatical English.

2: It is hard enough to learn to write properly without learning how a bunch of people who cannot do so have voted their ineptitude into stone.

3: If at any time it becomes impossible for you to go through the effort of correcting my editing to match what these people imagine to be English, then simply revoke my editing privileges and I will go perform my unpaid labor where it is more highly regarded.

4: I suggest you try to avoid an air of moral superiority. It reads as smug bullying. Boblipton ^{talk to me} 12:58, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I have done that. I have done it several times when unasked and always do so when asked. In fact, I believe I did so once (unasked) with you when you insisted on inserting commas where they were flat out wrong and explained to you how to identify the cases in the future. Whether you recall or not is not of any particular interest to me, just as this entire series of exchanges is of no interest to me. Boblipton ^{talk to me} 13:10, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

MOS

Why have rules if they are not to be enforced? Not my problem. My problem is why do I have brains if I don't think? Then, once I've thought, why do I have the ability to write well if I don't?

As your question and my two questions seem to run up against each other, I don't see much future in this discussion. However, by all means think well of yourself.Boblipton ^{talk to me} 00:32, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Minnie hooper

minnie hooper appears in the screencaps try find the best image for it

and use paint just in case to delete someone in the background

--User:JarodMighty 14:10, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Beware GOR over-saturation

Didn't realise you'd snuck in an SJA television stories GOR track. Let's give a rest to the SJS/K9-themed story tracks, shall we? We've got SJ audio stories, K9 TV stories, and SJA TV stories, meaning that we've created quite a number of double-point-value editing opportunities. The little loopholes at Romana I and Romana II — being in both the companion and individual Time Lord edit tracks — are bad enough, but now you've got easily 10 pages that are going to offer double points. We can leave it on for a bit, but if it becomes clear that people are making a lot of trivial edits to Invasion of the Bane or The Gift, we'll need to yank one of the two.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">18:53: Wed 18 Apr 2012 

Good God, man! No need to apologise about being bold. I'm jazzed that you slipped another editing track in there. And there's a particular need to pull any of these out of rotation — yet. In fact, I'm going to re-enable SJS audio, because very few people have actually done a lot of work with those, judging by the medal count. And looking at the pages, they can certainly use some work.

Double-point pages are just something to consider when making new tracks. Overlap isn't in itself bad. It's just that it creates a kind of "exploit" for the game. If people are abusing it, then, sure, you have to get rid of it. But if people are adding valuable material to the article, because they're attracted by the double-point values, then the overlap is actually working for us. It's just something you have to casually monitor.

If it does come to having o disable something, though, you're right in that it should be the K9 track. What's happened there is that my enabling of a track for all classic stories has overlapped your broader K9 track. If it were "K9 TV series", that'd be fine. But because it's "K9 television stories", then there's a good 20 pages for which you get "double points". Again, though, until it really looks like it's becoming a problem with several competitors, I don't mind awarding double points as people bring the new infobox into full use.

And, for the record, you don't need my "permission" or anything like that to do an edit track. I'm certainly happy to be here to bounce ideas off, but if you get inspired, don't let me stop ya!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">20:33: Wed 18 Apr 2012 

User:Finister-S, User:Retsinif, etc

Hey, good catch on those sock puppet accounts.... I just wanted to point out that User:Finisterman follows the same name-basis, and only began editing after a long break yesterday. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 19:53, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate Badges

Hi :)

I've just been looking through your badge list, and I have noticed that one of the badges occurs more than once. The Badge is "The Time Lords Doff Their Bowlers At Your Editing Skill" (for making 50 edits on Time Lords). Is this a technical error, or does this actually guarantee you more points in the game?

Layton4 15:57, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

{{{only}}}

Your recent message on User talk:OttselSpy25 reminded me that I'd forgotten to include a variable for the case of the single appearance. I've now added it to {{Infobox Location}}, {{Infobox Individual}}, {{Infobox Object}} and {{Infobox Species}}. If you define | only=story name, then it'll put up a label of Appearance: (in the singular) and list the story name beside it.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">19:04: Wed 25 Apr 2012