User talk:Danochy

Removing information from talk pages

Hi, please be advised that under no circumstances are you allowed to edit or delete messages left by other editors on any talk pages, including yours. Note that you are not allowed to edit or delete your own messages either. If you need to make a correction, you must post a follow-up note. The policy can be found at Tardis:Vandalism policy#Your own talk page. Amorkuz ☎ 09:42, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

Categories revisited

Please leave categories alone (unless creating a new page that needs categories). I've already asked you to not put categories on pages; now I'm asking you to leave those alone that are part of the Game of Rassilon (the stupid achievement track we're currently using). Categories in the Game of Rassilon are exempt from the "redundant categories" prohibition.

Please also consider that when an admin or long-term editor undoes one of your edits, they might actually know what they're doing. Instead of reverting their reverting, ask on their talk page.

If you're curious about what exactly the Game of Rassilon is, please see Tardis:Game of Rassilon rules. Thanks, Shambala108 ☎ 06:33, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to get back to you on this. The Game of Rassilon includes certain categories from the wiki. For example, "Conflicts" is one of the categories. Normally, that category would not be on the pages in question because of the redundant category rule; however, since it is part of the "game", it's on the page, and we don't remove the existing categories, because hopefully one day the Game will be removed from the wiki and then it'll be a relatively easy job cleaning up. If you are unsure which categories are part of the game, you can check on your user page: off to the right side there is a box that lists all the achievements (keep in mind that some of them no longer count). Shambala108 ☎ 00:46, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

That's correct. For example, all planets currently have the "Planets" category, because that's another Game of Rassilon track. However, they also have their more specific categories, which are not to be removed. That way, when/if the Game ends, all we would have to do is send a bot run to remove the Game categories, and the original more specific categories will already be on the pages. Less work for all. Shambala108 ☎ 03:48, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Reply

Well, it mostly boils down to personnel preference, I guess. When I was editing the timeline pages, I cut out all the adaptations, since the focus was on the events of the originals that the adaptations mostly follow to the letter. I never got round to reading them, only adding a note on the information about the story that showed how the adaptation affected the placement.

That's why I don't find them necessary as such, but if you prefer them there for the reasons you sent to me, then I have no issue with it. ;) BananaClownMan ☎ 22:19, September 5, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Zygon timeline

Hi, yeah, sorry about that. I meant to leave you a message, but I got sidetracked and then forgot.

The problem is actually the opposite: a page move always leaves a redirect behind, and in most cases that redirect is unnecessary. But only admins can delete the redirects, so when non-admins move pages, there is a redirect left behind, whether or not it's needed. See Thread:128198 for the reasoning behind the rule and the proper procedures when a page needs moving.

Anyway, I moved it back to your new title, and deleted the incorrect redirect. Thanks, Shambala108 ☎ 15:49, January 14, 2019 (UTC)

Dalek Empire

I'll look for the source of the relevant dates and get back to you! GusF ☎ 10:15, April 5, 2019 (UTC)

Not yet, I'm afraid. I'll keep looking and redouble my efforts! GusF ☎ 03:56, June 2, 2019 (UTC)

I am afraid to say that I have been unable to locate my copy of the Dalek Empire short story collection anywhere but I will continue looking to see if it turns up. GusF ☎ 10:19, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to butt in here but I have a copy of Short Trips: Dalek Empire. If you could let me know on my talk page a little more detail of what you're looking for, I can take a look. Shambala108 ☎ 14:10, June 28, 2019 (UTC)

Alrighty, I'll take a look through my book and get back to you. I don't think I'll get to it this weekend, but maybe early to middle next week. Shambala108 ☎ 15:05, June 29, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I've done a quick pass through Short Trips: Dalek Empire, and there aren't a whole lot of dates. I'll look more closely into each story when I get a chance.

Unfortunately, I think I've figured out where User:GusF (or whoever else) got the dates for the audio series. It looks like he was using the Discontinuity Guide (we weren't as strict back then about timelines or about copying from other sites). So it looks like, since you haven't been able to find the dates in the stories themselves, that those dates will have to be removed from the main namespace. You could use them as guidelines for the theory pages, as long as everyone else working on those pages doesn't have a problem with it, but any dates/timelines/ordering that comes from the Discontinuity Guide won't be allowed on the story pages or any in-universe pages.

It looks like most of the audio stories have a link to the Discontinuity Guide at the bottom of the page under "External links". Shambala108 ☎ 04:39, July 9, 2019 (UTC)

Brooke/River

Nice! Hadn't seen that talk page before. I only have my phone in hand right now, and I don't like using the wiki in it very much. But I'll get to it in a few days. Thanks!! OncomingStorm12th ☎ 22:24, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me of that! I had truly forgotten about it. Going to the talk page right now before I forget it again. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 14:05, July 28, 2019 (UTC)

RE: video

That's perfectly alright. I understand it was not intentional, and that at least now you're acquainted with the rule laid out at Tardis:Video policy. I decided just to upload the video myself, over your upload, so we don't have a problem anymore.

In future, T:VREC is always open for suggestions, and you can feel free to bug me so I can force myself to get around to finally catching up on the last year or so of videos I've yet to upload here.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 09:44, September 3, 2019 (UTC)

Re: speedy rename

Hi, if you take a look at Template:Speedy rename, it will show you how to fill out the required fields for a speedy rename tag. Unlike the {{Rename}} tag, the speedy rename doesn't allow for giving a reason, because theoretically it's only for non-controversial page moves - like adding a dab term or correcting misspelling. I don't agree with that, however, because some of these speedy renames are not obvious to me (for example a recurring character given a last name in a later story) and I would prefer to have a reason. User:Borisashton corrected your tag and stated that the reason for it should be given in the edit summary - this is incorrect, as edit summaries are not as easy to find as talk pages, so Thread:213632 asks for speedy rename reasons to be placed on article talk pages. Thanks Shambala108 ☎ 14:58, December 2, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Destiny of the Daleks infobox

Hope you had a good week. Initially I dated the page to circa 4949, as given by the audio story Neverland in relation to the Movellan War, even though there are MANY conflicting dates. However, the new date is from Eric Saward's novelization of Resurrection of the Daleks, which is set in 4590, 90 years after Davros is frozen in Destiny, thereby making Destiny set in 4500. Of course, since this is a novelization, I understand if it's not "official" - I'm not an admin lol. Whatever the policy says it should be. Steed ☎ 00:16, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

Second Doctor Timeline

Hi there, just to let you know that I’ve responded to the talk page. It’s not much help and I know I’m not the one who you’re looking to respond to it, but just so you know we’re on the same page. SarahJaneFan ☎ 12:01, March 12, 2020 (UTC)

As I’ve said before, I’m not hugely knowledgeable of the timeline, but I reckon just from looking at it needs a huge overhaul. I’d imagine you’d agree and honestly it’s getting rather frustrating that the talk page is ignored. If it were up to me, the whole thing would be torn down and rebuilt tbh. SarahJaneFan ☎ 22:02, March 23, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I pretty much agree with that. And yeah I guess the issues mainly stem from the Zoe part of the timeline. My personal bugbear is how the non-existent gap between The Wheel in Space and The Dominators has seemingly been crowbarred open. And yeah The Two Doctors 100% needs to be placed twice with an “according to one account” note below it. Otherwise separate timelines need to be made.

I think the problem generally is on all the timelines, that release order is either followed too rigidly or stories are assembled in any random order even if there’s no evidence suggesting any kind of an order. Like release order seems to be enforced on the Thirteenth Doctor page, especially for comics where it doesn’t really make any sense but then you go to the Second Doctor timeline and there’ll be a load of arbitrary stories in a random order with absolutely no justification. Imo, it should either be in release order or have a note explaining why it’s placed out of release order but perhaps that’s something that needs to be discussed in detail.

A possible third point is the fact that the timelines are rigidly being made to match with the wiki articles. I don’t know if this is against the rules as such, but it’s certainly been made clear by mods before that timeline theory has no place on the main pages so that’s something that needs discussed especially as it makes the timeline pages messier and restricts placement. SarahJaneFan ☎ 22:52, March 23, 2020 (UTC)

Great! Hopefully that means we can get discussion moving soon. Is there anyone else that regularly edits the timelines that we can bring in on these discussions as well? SarahJaneFan ☎ 11:02, March 24, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me, I’ve responded on the timey-wimey talk page and I’m about to respond on the Second Doctor talk page as well. Perhaps we should drop a link on those guy’s talk pages asking if they’d like to contribute to the discussion? SarahJaneFan ☎ 12:48, April 3, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch, I’ve read through the replies and I’ll be responding to each of them shortly. SarahJaneFan ☎ 21:38, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

Season 19 Audios

Hi, the reason I moved those audios pre-Black Orchid is because they effectively tell the story of how Tegan goes from being eager to get home in The Visitation, to wanting to stay with the Doctor in Black Orchid.

Divided Loyalties tells a different account of this as it goes right after The Visitation and Tegan decides to stick around at the end.

The Star Men has the team still trying to get to Heathrow, and they’re not particularly close.

In The Contigency Club, they're still trying to get to Heathrow, but Tegan doubts that they’ll land there, implying she’s lost faith in the Doctor’s ability to get her there. Nyssa however suspects that Tegan doesn’t really want to leave anymore. Adric and Tegan are fighting.

In Zaltys, Tegan manipulates Adric into attempting to pilot the TARDIS to Heathrow. The line about her giving up on the Doctor is in relation to his ability to get her to Heathrow and it’s the reason she asks Adric to attempt it instead, suggesting she’s pretty desperate by this point. Adric just questions why she’s so obsessed with getting to Heathrow rather than being like “Oh I thought you said you were sticking around”. Tegan is pretty manipulative in this one so the team doesn’t really come across as very close.

Tegan then admits to Adric in Kingdom of Lies that she’s begun to enjoy travelling in the TARDIS.

Ghost Walk begins with another attempt to get to Heathrow. The Visitation is mentioned and the Doctor and Adric have a conversation about why they keep missing Heathrow, but Tegan cuts them off by saying she doesn’t care that they aren’t a Heathrow and is more interested in knowing where they actually are. She’s just not bothered by this point. The story is set in an unnamed city and they basically end up causing an earthquake by almost releasing a ghost demon from another reality.

Then in Black Orchid, Tegan has told the Doctor off screen that he can stop trying to get her to Heathrow and she wants to stick around. They've also just done something bad to London.

Serpent in the Silver Mask has no reference to Heathrow, and the team are instead searching for components to build a new sonic screwdriver. Tegan has a love interest who she doesn’t stay with because her friends need her. The team is pretty close by this point.

So really there either has to be a different event in London to come immediately before Black Orchid, or for these stories to come after Black Orchid, something needs to happen for Tegan to change her mind about wanting to stay and to suddenly want to get back to Heathrow again. SarahJaneFan ☎ 20:40, April 9, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Charlotte Pollard

I'm tempted to say that Charley hasn't had enough of an independent run -- just two box sets in one medium -- to merit her own story category. It's certainly not as obviously defensible as Benny, River or Erimem's categories. Might be a good idea to add a {{delete}} tag and give a bit of time for anyone who wants to defend it.

Personally, my reading of Thread:139802 is that Charley falls just outside the standard for inclusion in Stories by featured characters, if we have to be generous about exclusion to make sure we don't come into the problem of "category bloat".
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:54, April 13, 2020 (UTC)

Good point! We have to draw a line somewhere before Donna (or even Jenny) get their own categories for short-lived series or one-off anthologies that don't represent anything like the franchise that is Bernice Summerfield.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 07:05, April 13, 2020 (UTC)

Check on

Hello, User:Danochy. I just wanted to stop by and check how you were doing in these trying times of self-isolation?BananaClownMan ☎ 09:54, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

Can't really complain. I've been put on paid leave from my job, which is good because all the applications I made for temporary work never accepted, and I still have rent to pay. I've been keeping myself occupied by trying to fill in the stubs on the Doctor pages as best I can, as well as my daily exercise on my bike. The LOCKDOWN releases have been a big help in fighting of boredom. Have you seen Farewell, Sarah Jane. I cried.BananaClownMan ☎ 18:39, April 25, 2020 (UTC)

No, my dear shepherd, you must pie! Pie, shepherd! Pie, shepherd!

Hello. Can you please give me the source quote from The Drosten’s Curse that states the lack of Shepherds in Shepherd's pie? Does the narration say it, or just a character? Because if it’s just stated in dialogue it’s simply a case of one character’s word against another. NightmareofEden ☎ 02:00, April 25, 2020 (UTC)

Dammit... you win this round. But there are pages on the wiki.... NightmareofEden ☎ 03:20, April 25, 2020 (UTC)

Seven Timeline

I’ve started a discussion in the Seventh Doctors Timeline Talk Page and I was hoping you could give it a read and possibly respond. It’s quite long so take your time as we’re all busy but I think I’ve perhaps brought up some important and relevant points and I’d like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Thanks. SarahJaneFan ☎ 21:40, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I’ll look forward to your response. Btw I managed to respond to the other talk pages we have going so there’s that as well when you get a chance. SarahJaneFan ☎ 10:21, May 14, 2020 (UTC)

Bump. Only because you said to give you a reminder if you didn’t get back, if you’re still busy that’s completely fine too, take your time. I’ve also replied to the Second Doctor discussion and the timeline talk page fwiw. SarahJaneFan ☎ 10:43, May 19, 2020 (UTC)

I’ve left responses to all of our ongoing discussions, although I suspect most of them can’t proceed any further without BCM or anyone else responding, but just so you’re aware anyway. SarahJaneFan ☎ 13:16, May 22, 2020 (UTC)

The Unnamed Doctor

The Unnamed Doctor is from The Brilliant Book 2012.BananaClownMan ☎ 10:42, May 28, 2020 (UTC)

Master Timeline

Hiya, I noticed your recent edit on The Master's timeline and thought you might be interested in taking a look at something I added to the talk page back in January. If you’re not don’t worry but it’s there. SarahJaneFan ☎ 23:13, May 31, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it’s annoying that we’ve got to message people any time we use the talk page. Unless people specifically check the pages they’re never gonna know anything is there. Anyway I’ve responded to your reply.

Werewolves, Vulpana and Mags

Hi there Danochy, I notice you have been editing a lot of the 'werewolves' pages. I have been on a "spree" myself, listening to a lot of the latest 7th Doctor audios with Mags, but I've been too lazy to track down and update every page relating to the audios because doing the summary already takes a lot of work. I was planning to listen to and write up the plot for "An Alien Werewolf in London" (BF main range 252), just to make sure we don't accidentally both end up doing it and wasting time, can I assume that you are going to add the plot to that story? Otherwise I'll be listening to it and adding it this weekend. Cheers! DoctorQuoi ☎ 05:32, June 25, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Hey, sounds good then! Yes I still have yet to listen to "Loup-garoux". I have a bunch of Fifth Doctor audios I have been saving up but they're farther down the main range line, like "Castle of Fear" and "Heroes of Sontar". Hopefully I'll have a chance to get to them this summer.

Great, I'll add the plot for "An Alien Werewolf in London". I know what you mean, I personally find it relaxing to write the plot as I go (good typing practice!), however, I completely understand.

Can I ask one favour though? Since I'm still new here and VERY likely to forget, once I update the page for the audio, can you do the extra stuff like adding any categories I forget or making the character's page(s)? I really appreciate it since the plot pages are, as you mentioned, a real pain to write in and of themselves. Cheers! DoctorQuoi ☎ 05:52, June 25, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi

Cleanup

Hi, this is just a quick message to thank you for the cleanup efforts you put into this wiki. Shambala108 ☎ 03:26, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

Audio Release Dates

Hello. I noticed that in Spring you added release dates to the pages of several audio stories. Could you please let me know what your source is for them? -- Noneofyourbusiness ☎ 12:12, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

UNIT Field Logs videos

Hi, I noticed that you created the UNIT Field Logs with links to the YouTube videos. In short, please don't. As per our Tardis:Video policy, more specifically T:VID LINK, "If the video is allowed by policy, then you should upload and display it on the page. If the video is not allowed by policy, then you can't simply provide a link to it in an effort to get around policy."

If you think a video should be added to the wiki (which these two should), using Tardis talk:Video recommendations is enough. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 16:18, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Small timeline reservation

Yeah, sure, go ahead with it.BananaClownMan ☎ 11:08, August 21, 2020 (UTC)

re:Seventh Doctor timeline

Hello. Sorry it took awhile to reply, my jobs in the early stages of reopening, and I've spent the past week filling in Health and Safety forms, and completing online exams to make sure I'm prepared for working in the post-Lockdown world. In response to your message, I did see the subject on the talk page, and even tried seeing if it would work with the knowledge at my disposal, but I kept running into roadblocks; some audios make references to the books, some audios portray Ace as being in her late 20s or early 30s, and, out-of-universe, the VNA concluded years ago, while the Main Range is still ongoing, making it easier to view it as happening afterwards. If someone finds a way to place the audios before the VNA, then, lke any editor, I'll go along with it until I disagree, start a debate and find a conclusion that makes everyone happy.BananaClownMan ☎ 16:54, August 30, 2020 (UTC)

Sandbox replies

Let's just say that Thread:264489 got me spooked. One of my hobbies on this wiki is writing character biographies for the Doctors, and now there properly all going to be stripped down to just a few sentences. Not without merit, though, some of them are really long. So, I copied there information to a sandbox so I can keep up my favorite pass time of both writing and reading about the Doctors' exploits. Once I'm done setting it all up, and when I find the time if no one else does it first, I'll go back to the main pages and strip their biographies to the few sentences that Thread:264489 degrees to keep the higher up happy. That way, everyone should win.

As for the search bar thing... well, it is a bit of a mouth full to type User:BananaClownMan/Sandbox/Eighth Doctor, for example, so I made it shorter to type. As a bonus, anyone that also wants to read full biographies can go there. No harm, no foul.BananaClownMan ☎ 21:34, September 28, 2020 (UTC)