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Ah, it wasn't that it didn't work - I simply hadn't completed the process. I had to go offline to do something, leaving this half done. Thanks for the advice though, it's appreciated. Epsilon (Contact me) 00:25, October 17, 2020 (UTC)
Speedy rename
Could you do me a favor and move The Wintertime Paradox: Festive stories from the World of Doctor Who to The Wintertime Paradox (anthology) real quick? I'll do the busywork and tidy up all the links once you do, it's just really bugging me :') – N8 (☎/👁️) 19:01, October 17, 2020 (UTC)
Vandalism/Block
User:AuntyAntt and 178.62.118.65 could use a block when you have the time, and Natalie Robyn should probably be protected. Najawin ☎ 20:34, October 21, 2020 (UTC)
- Also User:SAGARBEST Najawin ☎ 20:39, October 21, 2020 (UTC)
The Crimes of Thomas Brewster Editing and Errors
Hey Oncoming, hope you're well. I was originally going to write this on Shambala108's talk page but they seem to be busy and since you're more of an AUDIO expert I thought I would consult you. I listened to The Crimes of Thomas Brewster today and was about the add the plot when I started reading the page entry and realised that there are a lot of errors and a LOT of misinformation. I can see from the history page that you, Danochy and Shambala have been adding a bit to it over the past little while but some stuff needs to be corrected. For example, there's a link to a page for [[Literatos II]]. I listened very carefully to that joke/sarcasm the Doctor tells DI Menzies and the planet is actually called Literalis II (it's hard to catch at first but Colin Baker definitely pronounces it with an 'L'), I guess it's supposed to be a joke on the word "literal". The problem is that, as I just linked, a whole page has already been made for it. So my first question is, how do I deal with incorrect pages like that? I know I'm not supposed to delete them, am I supposed to inform a moderator to delete it or something? Also, I may need someone to go over the page once I'm done editing tomorrow, not just to clean up my mistakes but also, because I haven't listened to a lot of Sixth Doctor audios, there are a LOT of continuity references and such that went over my head. I tried to note whatever I could, but I was just hoping that, if I add the bare text that I wrote down for it, someone could make a note to go through and expand whatever I mention? For example, DI Menzies in the story talks a lot about already having met the Doctor in another adventure but I don't know what adventure that was and I think I missed a lot of the references to that adventure.
Thank you again and I'm sorry I hope I'm not coming across as rude. I was just a bit surprised by the discovery, that's all, but we all have bad days or forget things. Cheers! DoctorQuoi ☎ 05:34, October 24, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi
- Hey Oncoming, got your message! Thank you so much for that incredibly instructive breakdown. Also, I'm really glad I didn't come across as rude or snarky, I was just honestly concerned about the page. I imagine a lot of users read these summaries to get a better idea of whether the audio is worth purchasing. I've certainly consulted a page or two before buying, as they can get pretty expensive haha! I also apologize, I know I said I'd update AUDIO: The Crimes of Thomas Brewster but as always real-life got in the way, so I'll try do it today or at the very latest by end of next week.
- Before I get back to you with changes regarding that story, I did also want to bring your attention to another audio. AUDIO: Invaders from Mars has a page linked to it called Time Lord (Invaders from Mars). I finished editing the page yesterday, adding part 4 of the plot and updating all the relevant Cont./Note/Disc. sections. I noticed that the person who linked it actually didn't catch the reference properly, the "reference" was actually a "Continuity", and was a reference to the story TV: The Time Meddler and the "amoral Time Lord" was actually the Monk. So I suspect the page Time Lord (Invaders from Mars) needs to be deleted, because this page really just refers to the Monk. Just thought I would let you know!! Will be in touch soon regarding Crimes of Brewster! Otherwise, happy Halloween for next week (if you celebrate)! DoctorQuoi ☎ 18:52, October 25, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi
- Hey! Firstly, I'm so sorry for getting back to you so late, funny you should mention taking my time for doing the summaries, as I'm afraid this week has become exceedingly busy, so I'm afraid that's going to be exactly the case haha. Nonetheless, thank you for the kind reply as always and for going easy on a newbie like myself! So, firstly, with regards to Time Lord (Invaders from Mars), I actually didn't realise the vagueness in the story, so my apologies, that's on me. I forgot to mark the time-stamp where it was mentioned, and I, unfortunately, don't have much time to go back and listen to it again (although it's an amusing story haha, but I always enjoy Mark Gatiss episodes!) so I'm afraid I can't quite jog your memory. Do we happen to have a script for this story? It would just be an easy "ctrl"+"f"+"amoral Time Lord" and confirm or deny our suspicion. I am so sorry, I'm usually more diligent than this, I guess I just heard 11th century and Time Lord and my mind immediately latched onto TV: The Time Meddler. I guess for now we should just stand by the original edit and say that it's too anonymous to tell, but under continuity, as you suggested, make a mention that similar to that situation, the Doctor encountered an amoral Time Lord named the Monk when he landed in the 11th Century in Northumbria? I'll leave the judgement call and updating the article in your more capable hands? I'm worried I've done enough damage as it stands haha.
- Secondly, because I'm a bit occupied this week, I'll only be able to update The Crimes of Thomas Brewster part-by-part each day. I just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to go through the edits after I make them to ensure they're following proper wiki guidelines and there's no mistakes. It would just help a lot this one time because I'll use this as a guideline/learning experience to see how to edit the wiki's properly according to the standards you want to set for editing AUDIO pages in future. I'll start with part 2 right now actually. Hope you're doing well! Any Doctor Who-related Halloween plans? I'm going to be watching TV: The Curse of Fenric for the first time on the new TV (it scared me too much as a teenager, so it's the perfect setting haha)! DoctorQuoi ☎ 02:45, October 27, 2020 (UTC)DoctorQuoi
RE: Serious harassment from admin Scrooge MacDuck
Hello, I have no idea what to do but I believe I am the victim of serious harassment by fellow admin User:Scrooge MacDuck.
I have posted a comment on User:Shambala108's page, but wanted to consult at least two admins as I fear being immediately banned by Scrooge. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 17:23, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
- OS12th, I refer you to the message I left at Shambala's talk page (and to my message on DiSoRiEnTeD1's own talk page) for more context on his behaviour and the circumstances of his, I think you'll agree, well-warranted (and even rather lenient!) two-week block earlier this month.
- As I said there: as a show of good faith and in the hope that it will make DiSoRiEnTeD1 reconsider his bizarre conspiracy theories, I will not block DiSoRiEnTeD1 for this. Feel free to do so yourself if you think it right, however. It's up to you and other admins — or rather, it's up to Wiki polciy. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:29, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
- You gained the status of an admin and went through several open discussions that you had been involved with and resolved them to your own satisfaction.
- I did not attempt to disrupt the Wikia - had I attempted to do so I would have reopened said discussions. But no, I simply took my problem to an admin and questioned what had happened - you stated that this was me "reopening the discussion" and blocked me.
- Since then I made a single edit, you accused me of disrupting the Wikia and have threatened to ban me by Sunday if you haven't received an apology. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 17:32, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
- DiSoRiEnTeD1, this is quite enough of you crowding out other people's talk pages with messages not addressed to them. Your (rather feeble) defence of your edits back in early October is something you should have brought to my talk page, on Community Central, weeks ago. This is what Help:I'm blocked is for, and I pointed you to it in my blocking rationale back then.
- Since then I made a single edit, you accused me of disrupting the Wikia and have threatened to ban me by Sunday if you haven't received an apology. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 17:32, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
- If you have anything more to say to me, please take it to my talk page. For the third time, I will not block you if you do this. In fact I have publicly pledged not to block you anyway, and to leave the matter of your discipline for your actions today to other admins. But please communicate. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:36, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
RE:Admin behaviour
The story had already been ruled invalid so Scrooge was unable to overrule this decision. The new thread was regarding the story’s coverage as a whole - which he ruled entirely in his favour.
I did not create another thread about the story’s validity. I asked an admin to review the decision by a new admin as I believed that they were unfair as he had been involved in the discussions and as a result was not neutral (I did not know that this was not against the rules). Which I still think should be the case - had I been promoted as an admin I could have simply done the exact same thing in my favour, which isn’t fair.
And I did NOT violate T:POINT regarding River Song. I made the initial change and someone took issue with that, therefore the change that should have remained was mine - as that was that state of the page when the discussion was raised. The page has since had River as Human / Porto-Time Lord for months now until a user recently changed it. I simply changed it back to the state of the page when the discussion was raised, and now received the outrageous threat of a ban.
He only said that he wouldn’t ban me when I called him out on the harassment. Before that he demanded I apologise to him before Sunday or he ban me! DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 20:35, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
- To be fair to DiS, their placement of human in the infobox was simply reverting an edit User:BananaClownMan took during the time after our discussion stalled out as no consensus has been reached. (BCM not being one of the participants and ostensibly not knowing that it existed) I reverted the edit effectively on instinct given the change + reasoning given, and had it stated "T:BOUND violation" I likely wouldn't have.
- I note that I'm quite confident the current policy would actually be to have her listed as not being a human as well, due to the edit history presented at Talk:River Song - given BCM made to her infobox species and it stood for quite some time before DiS made his own change and immediately caused controversy, but that's not how we've been treating it throughout our discussion. Najawin ☎ 20:51, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, just to clarify something quickly: my issue with DiSoRiEnTeD1's River Song edit was not so much the edit itself (which is a bit of a can of worms as described above) as that, in the edit summary, DiSoRiEnTeD1 justified himself by making claims about the status of consensus on the talk page. Regular users aren't supposed to decide when there's consensus, or make edits based on that. There may have been valid reasons to do the same edit that DiSoRiEnTeD1 performed! But he was clearly doing it for the wrong reasons. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 20:56, October 28, 2020 (UTC)
- I was not doing it for the "wrong reasons".
- There was an edit war on River Song's page months ago, User:Shambala108 stepped in and made a decision that "Human" was to be on the page until a consensus was reached in the open discussion. This can be seen in Shambala's reversal of User:Najawin's removal of "Human" from the page (which nobody changed for over three months until the edit that I took issue with). There has not been a consensus reached, and I know that because there hasn't been an admin ruling - so this user was, knowingly or not, reverting an edit which an admin had put in place to prevent edit warring.
- To get threatened with a ban for this is utter lunacy. DiSoRiEnTeD1 ☎ 21:02, October 28, 2020 (UTC)