Talk:Jack Harkness

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Jack's Timeline

Shouldn't the burial of Jack in 27 AD and reappearance in the early 20th century in Exit Wounds appear not at the end of the timeline but at the beginning? I realize this means Jack crosses his own timelines but it's odd to read of his activities in Torchwood in the 1900s without acknowledgment that his team unearthed a later version of him back then.69.125.134.86^{talk to me} 16:29, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

N-no, no it shouldn't... OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 16:40, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Policy question

I have a question about policy regarding comments by actors. In explaining why Jack is immortal, John Barrowman stated:

""Now you're really getting me into the fan boy stuff here, it takes us all the way back to the first time Jack actually died and came back to life because we thought it was the time, uh.uh .the TARDIS that him brought him back to life. But it was..you know .because of the death you know from the Dalek, that all happened and it was Rose. It turns out that his blood is actually alien blood. So there's more to him than we ever thought. So it is his blood that keeps him alive, it was not time. You know there's all those questions now which NEED to be answered".

- JB, Dragon Con 2012, Starting at the 12 minute mark. [1]

Are insider comments by the actor considered noteworthy to add to the Skills and Abilities (Immortality) or Other Matters section of Jack's wiki? It appears to subvert canon and rewrite his known history.

Thanks. ~ ~ ~ ~ kpattersonraven

For future reference, these kinds of questions can be asked at The Panopticon, since it's a policy question. It will gain more attention there. Also, don't add spaces between the tildes (so ~~~~ instead of ~ ~ ~ ~), as it's unhelpful.

To answer your question though, according to T:SOURCES, only narrative sources are allowed for information on in-universe pages such as this. What John Barrowman says happened is irrelevant to the article. Anyways, read through Tardis:Valid sources, and you'll get an answer much more in-depth than I can possibly give you.

But, specifically, no, actors' comments on their characters cannot go in the main body of an in-universe page, and they cannot be used as sources for information on the character. Hope that helps!
--SOTO ☎ 06:55, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Deaths, buried under Cardiff

Jack was buried underneath Cardiff in 27AD and released in 1901, which means he was buried for 1874 years.

Presuming that it takes him four minutes to be revived each time he dies of things which don't require his entire body to re-grow itself (based on how long it took him to revive after Suzie shot him), and that it takes him six minutes to suffocate (brain death occurs roughly four minutes after loss of consciousness), he dies 52.595 times per year.

That means he died 98.563.030 times while buried underneath Cardiff. --DCLM ☎ 16:38, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

So technically we can calculate how many times Jack has died. Shall we put it on the main page? perhaps as "it can be estimated that Jack has died.....Snivystorm ☎ 22:05, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

This debate was left unfinished. I'd very much like some other voices on this topic. To me, this makes sense, and I propose an edit on this topic. --DCLM ☎ 15:37, December 8, 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, all this seems to me like speculation. Can we really be sure it took him four minutes to revive after Suzie shot him? Can we really be sure it takes him the same time to come back to life every time he dies? Can we be really sure he kept coming back to life while burried? OncomingStorm12th ☎ 15:57, December 8, 2016 (UTC)

I typed all this out and there was an edit conflict. Since I'm too lazy to rewrite, I"ll just repost what I had already written.

I'm going to rule against this idea. It's never a good idea to use dates to calculate something we don't know, because you never know what DWU authors are going to do next. For all we know, some future author will say that year so-and-so lasted for four hundred days instead of 365, or something like that, which would throw off the calculations. More importantly, this whole post is based on speculation: "presuming" that it takes a certain amount of time for Jack to revive in certain circumstances. If we aren't given the exact time it takes, we can't calculate the number of deaths. Shambala108 ☎ 16:00, December 8, 2016 (UTC)

Handsome Jack

Ok, I did a little digging, but wasn't able to figure out how to edit the main page to update it.

The reference to Handsome Jack of Borderlands fame needs a cite.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160229111528/http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1099

The real article is no longer available.

Inside the Box: You (Still) Don't Know Jack 10.28.13 - Anthony Burch ... That said, combining our new story (“kill this one dude named Handsome Jack or whatever he ends up being called, by the way we definitely can’t ship the game with him being called Handsome Jack because that’s just a Doctor Who reference I pulled out of thin air”) with answering the old BL1 questions was one of the trickiest narrative problems Paul and I tried to solve during preproduction. ...

HTH, Bsinkk

Married to River Song?

This page and River Song's list each other as spouses, but it is not discussed or written on the actual page that I can find - as in it's only listed in the top right - and I can't remember or find a referenced time where either someone in-universe or not said they were married or it was shown. Am I wrong and they are married/were married? or can I edit that off? (sorry if this doesn't make sense, this is my first time trying to edit a fandom wiki!!) Kindaliketeal ☎ 15:43, April 10, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure because I haven't hear the story myself, but the information was added just one day after R&J was added, so I'll assume the events happened/were mentioned in that story, but perhaps User:BananaClownMan can confirm if that's the case or not, since he was the one who added it to the page. OncomingStorm12th (talk) 16:20, April 10, 2020 (UTC)

I can’t remember if I saw it in Jack's page, or if u read it in their timeline pages, but I definitely found out from one of them.BananaClownMan ☎ 16:37, April 10, 2020 (UTC)

They do have a wedding in R&J, and make their vows, but the wedding is interrupted, and they drop the idea after dealing with Snorvlast. Whether or not River can be put in under partner is also questionable, because they dance around the idea of pursuing a relationship, but ultimately (I think; I'll have to relisten for proper chronology) River tells Jack that they'll have to remain friends "for now".
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 17:48, April 10, 2020 (UTC)

Name assumptions

For reasons I outline at Talk:Gray Thane#Full name, I propose that the subject out not to be referred to as Thane (as if that is clearly his sole surname) in prose. DBD ☎ 12:12, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Main image change

Not a big fan of Captain Jack's current infobox pic, it's a little too close up. I've uploaded this image to the left that I think offers a better look at the character from "Last of the Time Lords". -- MattTheNerd42 ☎ 17:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

A: Pictures should, if possible, face left.

B: I think the current one absolutely fits him better. Najawin ☎ 18:39, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Najawin. The current image suits him, and I think it's fine. — Fractal Doctor @ 20:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)