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:: No, because as you said, "silence will fall" is the Silence's response to the actual prophecy, which makes no mention of silence. "Silence will fall" is the Silence's core belief; their mission statement. As Dorium said, "silence must fall," and the Doctor "must never reach Trenzalore." The Doctor himself later realized that it was his silence that was meant to fall when the Question was asked, and modeled the scenario for Churchill. "Suppose there were a man who knew a secret... how would you erase that secret from the world before it could be spoken?" Churchill said that if he had to, he would "destroy the man," to which the Doctor responded, "and silence would fall." His silence, because if he were dead, he could no longer answer the Question. The Silence wants him dead before he gets to Trenzalore so that he can't answer the Question. "Silence" has no relation to the actual prophecy or to the stars going out when the GI corrupts his timeline. ''Those'' are the things that the Silence wishes to avert. For "silence will fall" is simply what the Silence wishes to make happen; they want silence to fall when the Question is asked, and they intended to make it happen by killing the Doctor prematurely and making it so that he will not be able to speak his name at Trenzalore. [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] [[User talk:Ensephylon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:54, May 20, 2013 (UTC) | :: No, because as you said, "silence will fall" is the Silence's response to the actual prophecy, which makes no mention of silence. "Silence will fall" is the Silence's core belief; their mission statement. As Dorium said, "silence must fall," and the Doctor "must never reach Trenzalore." The Doctor himself later realized that it was his silence that was meant to fall when the Question was asked, and modeled the scenario for Churchill. "Suppose there were a man who knew a secret... how would you erase that secret from the world before it could be spoken?" Churchill said that if he had to, he would "destroy the man," to which the Doctor responded, "and silence would fall." His silence, because if he were dead, he could no longer answer the Question. The Silence wants him dead before he gets to Trenzalore so that he can't answer the Question. "Silence" has no relation to the actual prophecy or to the stars going out when the GI corrupts his timeline. ''Those'' are the things that the Silence wishes to avert. For "silence will fall" is simply what the Silence wishes to make happen; they want silence to fall when the Question is asked, and they intended to make it happen by killing the Doctor prematurely and making it so that he will not be able to speak his name at Trenzalore. [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] [[User talk:Ensephylon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:54, May 20, 2013 (UTC) | ||
::: So basically the Silence modified the prophecy to fit their own uses? What you seem to be saying (and I may be completely misunderstanding) is that the Silence tried to kill him to prevent him from getting to a fixed point in his own timeline and to keep him from revealing his name. However, it seems to me that your interpretation contradicts itself, since they are trying to avert the prophecy by causing his silence to fall ''early''--an act that would destroy the universe anyway. Thus, I think that interpreting "Silence will fall" as referring to the death of the universe is at least an alternative theory, even if it is not confirmed yet as being the proper one. [[User:Milar Kayne|Milar Kayne]] [[User talk:Milar Kayne|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:09, May 20, 2013 (UTC) | |||
I think this is set after the time of the Silence fall on Trenzalore. The Doctor fought the Silence there causing them to fall, but maybe this caused his final death and as he was dying he requested the tomb to be built and sealed it with his name.[[User:A-Smk|A-Smk]] [[User talk:A-Smk|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:08, May 19, 2013 (UTC) | I think this is set after the time of the Silence fall on Trenzalore. The Doctor fought the Silence there causing them to fall, but maybe this caused his final death and as he was dying he requested the tomb to be built and sealed it with his name.[[User:A-Smk|A-Smk]] [[User talk:A-Smk|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:08, May 19, 2013 (UTC) | ||