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 Then I rewatched "The Beast Below" yesterday. Two pieces of dialogue, before TARDIS explosions or The Silence or Trenzalore that very strongly suggests Steven Moffat always knew where he was going. It can help restore your faith.[[User:DCT|DCT]] [[User talk:DCT|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:48, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
+→ Thank you for your answer(s), some elements you point are very helpful to me!
+'''1.''' I thought Trenzalore was a fixed point since the Doctor seems to think that way from my point of view. Moreover, I thought that, when he says that a Time traveller must never go where and when his grave is located is because... Well, because any "trip" that leads him there could be the one when he dies: I mean, people told him he should die there, which implies he must go there first and die once he is there; consequently, as long as the Doctor doesn't go to Trenzalore, he simply can't die. And that's what he does: simply not go there until the Great Intelligence sort of "force him". But in "The Name of the Doctor", there is another problem: the Doctor arrives on Trenzalore after his own death, meaning he's crossing his timeline and make the TARDIS crossing her own, too. From my opinion, going where you are going to die and crossing your own timeline are two different problems, and perhaps they could not be necessarily related. If the Doctor had travelled to Trenzalore before the events leading to his death, I don't see how it would have been a huge problem for the universe: he will have to do that to die (from what we know now).
+'''2.''' You are right on this: the show only gives us that some events or facts are fixed in time: it gives us sometimes (Father's Day, the Wedding of River Song) indications on what can happen if something try to interfere with it, but it doesn't explain how fixed points in time are fixed(!). The only recent indication I remember is during "The Impossible Astronaut" I think, the Doctor says that the 1969 is "''an easy year''" (contrary to some others), and I'll have to check, but possibly in "Day of the Moon", he says something about creating a fixed point is easier during easy years. Is there other indications I missed about that?
+'''3. and 4.''' I like your idea that the Silence can't see the effects of what it tries to do, and I like even more the idea that the Silence could think every intervention of the Doctor is a pre-death event. It could lead them to keep persecuting him everywhere in his timeline, and it could lead the viewer to become a bit paranoid: "''what if the TARDIS explosion was a desperate attempt from the Silence, or maybe not the TARDIS explosion but at least the Pandorica, leading all those villains to make an impossible alliance; and what if the Silence whispered to the Great Intelligence to destroy the Doctor''", and so on? I like that, even if for now it's not tangible.
+And I'll had a point '''5''' to the discussion, with what you wrote about Moffat knowing where he's going: I have no doubt about the fact that Moffat has a "Masterplan", and I'm not criticizing the quality of what he's doing as the showrunner. It's obvious with the "TARDIS console-like" stuff we saw at least twice ("The Lodger" and "The Impossible Astronaut"), the fact that River Song says in the Pandorica Opens that it's like someone had taken the controle of the TARDIS just before it explodes, the "Silence will fall" that we hear for quite a long time now, and so on, that Moffat wants to do something big and he is just "placing his pawns on the big chessboard". Step by step, we are coming closer to the solution of all this. I'm just a bit skeptical about that he had planned everything since the beginning, and since every "pawn" he places is "huge" rather "subtle", it will be hard to keep something fully consistant. My personal opinion is that it's like when RTD started to use "Torchwood" in Doctor Who first series (during the weakest link thing at least!), or the drummings in the Master's mind since series 3: surely RTD wanted to do something with that, but was he already 100% sure about how he would use it later?
+Once again thank you for your time! [[User:Tepec|Tepec]] [[User talk:Tepec|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:54, November 5, 2013 (UTC) Tepec