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[[User:Tepec|Tepec]] [[User talk:Tepec|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:33, November 5, 2013 (UTC) Tepec | [[User:Tepec|Tepec]] [[User talk:Tepec|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:33, November 5, 2013 (UTC) Tepec | ||
Welcome, first your English seems fine. The only thing that might arguably be making your writing confused is that you are confused. So while I'm not sure I understand everything you say, or if you do either, I will try my best to respond to your concerns and hopefully others may come and improve or them. | |||
The first thing that you need to understand is that "wibbly-wobbley, timey-wimey" is Steven Moffat shorthand for "what I say goes." Just bear that in mind. | |||
1. No one has ever claimed that the Doctor's death of Trenzalore was a fixed point, there is an implication it became one when the Doctor went there and found his grave because apparently finding your grave does that, but up until that point the suggestion is that The Silence could have created a new death and new grave for the Doctor. Or at least believed they could. | |||
2. That would depend on what a fixed point is and how it works, I have seem several explanations for that and have my own and not all are mutually exclusive, but alas the show is silent or, at best, vague on the matter, one of those "what I say goes" things. | |||
3. How can "the Silence" be deceived? Well ultimately they can't because eventually the Doctor will go to Trenzalore and answer the question and they'll presumably know about it then. But at the moment we know so little about the Silence and they may not be able to see past their own involvement that again that question is impossible to answer. | |||
4. Yeah, again if the Silence can't see past the consequences of their own actions how would they know what's a change and what's a paradox? They can't, whenever the Doctor shows up they think it's just a pre death event. They believe his death is a fixed point and believe his death occurred. Because of the "false regeneration" thing he made it look very convincing. Because there is no actual way a fixed point can be escaped the Doctor must be dead. The Silence just can't see how he could have cheated. | |||
Steven Moffat has come under a lot of fire recently for not resolving his plots and this has often seemed valid. | |||
Then I rewatched "The Beast Below" yesterday. Two pieces of dialogue, before TARDIS explosions or The Silence or Trenzalore that very strongly suggests Steven Moffat always knew where he was going. It can help restore your faith.[[User:DCT|DCT]] [[User talk:DCT|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:48, November 5, 2013 (UTC) | |||
