Howling:Unresolved plot cookies - Series 7 part 2
As the new half series approaches, it might be fun to note some things which are or seem unresolved then explore the clues. I've started us out with 7, add more if you have them. --ComicBookGoddess ☎ 19:00, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
Lists
Unresolved major plot cookies
- Who is Clara Oswin Oswald and why has the Doctor encountered two versions of her that died? (Previous speculation - Howling:A collection of theories and questions regarding AotD and Oswin)
- What is The Question? It is really the Doctor's name? How is that a dark secret?
Other unresolved cookies
- Why exactly were The Silence trying to make the Doctor angry? If they weren't, why have Amy tell him about the pregnancy?
- Is Silence in the Library related to the Silence story arc? Is it through River or CAL?
- Is River at Trenzalore? Is that how she finds out what she says to the Doctor in Silence in the Library?
- If the Daleks were brought back by the Big Bang Two, who else might have been?
- Why was it called a duck pond when it didn't have any ducks?
- Hey, what about 79B Aickman Road? Why do the Silence seem to be trying to make their own Time Machine and why did it want to try every human in the world once they disappeared?
- When exactly was Amy kidnapped?
Discussion
Clara Oswin Oswald
She's the Red Riding Hood to Rose's Bad Wolf. She's got a Time Lord subconscious trying to make herself known. She's been spread throughout time as the result of story we haven't seen yet. She's Jenny, regenerated. She's CAL hacking herself back into reality. She's been splintered so as to live her life in numerous timelines. She's an extreme example of Spatial genetic multiplicity.
"Remember me, for we shall meet again" and 23 November...--ComicBookGoddess ☎ 19:00, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
The question
As I've mentioned on it's talk page, I think a particular head writer is playing silly with us on this. We're meant to think it's merely the Doctor's name, but to be so hidden, it really can't be merely. Also, why was River Song so sad - why did she feel the need to apologise to him - when she was saying it to him in The Library?
Why did the silence try to make the doctor angry
One of the things that can be pretty clear to us but not to the Doctor in The Impossible Astronaut is that at least the Silent in the bathroom was trying to get him both involved and angry. There doesn't seem to be another rational reason to hypnotise Amy into telling him about the pregnancy. What possible motive could there be for this? I mean, sure, anger makes him make mistakes... But they completely tipped their hand for what doesn't seem to be a very good reason.--ComicBookGoddess ☎ 19:00, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
The duck pond
This one is my favorite. Are we really and truly done with the Cracks in Time story? Is the Doctor overlooking things? Was this just Amy's storyline and now it's over? Or will we see it come back, like the Big Bad Wolf?
I have to admit that my main thought as I watched through series 5 and 6 was that Amy Pond seemed more like an imaginary friend to the Doctor than the other way around. The duck pond is a symbol of this theory to me.--ComicBookGoddess ☎ 19:00, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
General Discussion
Hmm, some interesting questions raised. Who is Clara is going to be one of the main ones, and thinking about the timing, I think it might have something to do with who the Doctor is, because with the Clara mystery being introduced right now after the whole "Doctor who?" thing, and with the show now leading up to the anniversary, I can't help but think these two points are somehow connected. Which brings me to "Doctor who?". I think that, as suggested elsewhere in old Howling threads, that it's going to be much more than just his name. It is going to have something to do with who he is as a person. OH, and he's going to whisper his name into River's ear, but the audience won't hear because a) that would destroy a lot of the feel of the character and more importantly b) they could never come up with a name which satisfies fans' expectations. And on the subject of the Big Bang 2, I think the more important question is who blew up the TARDIS and why? Most people seem to think the Silence did it, but how and why? I really don't have any opinions currently on the other questions. Imamadmad (Contact me) 06:23, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
The timing does suggest that who (& what) Clara is has something important to do with the "Doctor Who?" question. As far as the Silence blowing up the TARDIS is concerned, it seems to me that what happened then (destruction of the universe) looks a lot like what the Silence is trying to prevent & that we may eventually discover that it was done by whoever is the real enemy of the Silence.
The duck pond with no ducks: As far as I know, the absence of ducks was intended to be because the ducks had been swallowed by a crack & we were meant to see that the ducks had been restored in The Big Bang but they didn't get round to filming that. Since it wasn't actually shown, they could still change the significance of the duckless pond, though that seems unlikely now that Amy has gone. --89.242.64.79talk to me 11:12, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
The ducks kind of remind me of the bees, you know. For me, it's a symbol of how the resolution of the Cracks storyline just seemed WAY too easy on the Doctor. In fact, because of "Silence, and the end of all things," I'd say we know for sure that the arc of the cracks hasn't been resolved. :)
As for the Question, I have thoughts running around in my head: first, whatever the secret is, it is the reason why he ran from the Untempered Schism when he was eight. Second, we know that choosing a new name is some sort of Time Lord custom. Perhaps it's elaborate enough that knowledge of your prior name is wiped from the universe, and after initiation, he realised he had a secret to protect. so, somehow, he incorporate a secret - possibly even one that didn't belong there - into his name, adopting a new name before performing whatever Time Lord ritual hides his name and replaces it in the heart and minds of everything. Third, I don't think they'll hide the name by just not having us hear it, as they've done that at least twice with River. Fourth, whatever happens, at least River will hear it, and I think we'll find that the Tenth was incorrect in some respect when he said that he could only say it once... Of course, the Eleventh did figure out the question before he came up with the plan to marry River. --ComicBookGoddess ☎ 14:27, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the blowing up of the tardis I've read a theory that i agree with. So we know the Silence have been trying to kill the doctor so he doesn't reach Trenzalore. The theory is that it was one of the Silence's attempt to kill the doctor. First they tried raising River Song to kill him and that failed so then they blew up his tardis. It's most likely the attempts occurred in this order because the astronaut suit plan resulted in the creation of River Song as we know her. However it still doesn't explain how they blew it up, or why it was drawn to that specific date.--Whovian11 ☎ 13:39, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
If it was the Silence that blew up the TARDIS, they very nearly brought about the very thing (destruction of the universe) that they seem to be trying to prevent. That doesn't mean it couldn't have been them. It just means that, if it was, they got it wrong. If, on the other hand, the Silence were behind the Alliance, trying to stop the TARDIS being blown up, they still got it wrong.
One possibility that occurred to me a while ago is that, because the Silents (the aliens) find it so easy to manipulate people & to get others to do their work for them, they don't need to be very intelligent & they've taken a firm hold of the wrong end of the stick. It might not be the Doctor who's the real danger to them; it might be their own misconceived efforts to kill him. The idea of someone's attempts to escape their fate bringing about that fate is an old one. A well known story that uses this plot is "The Appointment in Samarra" (the Somerset Maugham version is here). The Alliance, in The Pandorica Opens, made exactly that mistake. The Silence might be making it, too, especially as they seem to prefer complicated ways of doing things & don't follow the KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid! (I was 89 earlier.) --2.101.60.190talk to me 17:24, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
79B Aickman Road
- Hey, what about 79B Aickman Road? Why do the Silence seem to be trying to make their own Time Machine and why did it want to try every human in the world once they disappeared?
TOTALLY forgot this one, but it's a big one, isn't it? When you remember it, well... Not only do they attempt to destroy the TARDIS and replace it with a less sophisticated Time Machine, they create their own "Time Lord" (and bespoke psychopath that would kill the Doctor for them) to drive it. Why? Is it solely to be able to follow the Doctor? They seem to have other ways of travelling in time, from how they move River around, or do they only have this because they have River?
And, it's abandoned at Craig's flat, the autopilot doesn't have any suitable pilots to try, but the sum total of human population. If it's a time ship for the Silence race - and it seems to be - it should be able to detect them, but there are none. Does the Doctor eventually happen to them? Did he wipe them all out?
Of course, then one with the species ability shows up at Silencio... How? Which brings me to... --ComicBookGoddess ☎ 14:27, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
Kidnapping Amy
Even though Amy's gone, I think they'll still clear up a few questions regarding her time with the Doctor. I think the Doctor was wrong about when Amy was taken, and we have enough information to realise it. Closely related to why they were trying to make the Doctor angry is how they went about doing it - namely, they waited until she was back in 1969, the lured her to the bathroom to plant the suggestion in her head. If they took her to Demons Run before this, why bother? Why not just show up there in person and hypnotise her there? If you know she'd coming to your stronghold, why bother to kidnap her from a time and place where there are few of you and you have to work around her husband? Why not kidnap her while she's on the run for three months, alone, in your stronghold. It's clear she was a Ganger before the recorder was implanted - in the orphanage she has a window, and the Flesh falls apart there, leaving her cartilage bonded recorder on the floor. (She's reconstituted from Flesh in the spaceship in Florida.) But in my opinion it's by no means clear that she was already a Ganger in the Impossible Astronaut.
A viable alternate theory is that there are multiple factions in the Silent species, however, the one she met in the bathroom was not a nice guy by any means, right?--ComicBookGoddess ☎ 14:27, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
