Talk:The Corsair

Singular they

I don't suppose we could use the singular they in this article to avoid the clumsy pronoun trouble? --SB | T 18:42, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

No; grammatically incorrect. Keep it as is. CloneMarshalCommanderCody ☎ 02:40, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Both

Shouldn't this article metion something about The Corsair being the only Time Lord to be both male and female?Mandalore74 ^{talk to me} 22:44, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Not the only one — just the only one we know about. (For all we know, Borusa started out female.) —Josiah Rowe ^{talk to me} 04:56, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Davies and Lost in Time

I deleted a potentially bogus paragraph claiming that Russell T Davies (described as "head canon", whatever that means) said the Shopkeeper from Sarah Jane Adventures was the Corsair. The cited source contains no such reference, and The Doctor's Wife was produced and broadcast after the Shopkeeper was introduced in Lost in Time, and Davies has never made any statement as to the origins of that character (the DWM special editions on SJA make no reference to the Corsair having any connection). Feel free to put it back if an actual source can be found. 70.72.211.35^{talk to me} 14:28, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Seeing as how the writer of the episode, Neil Gaiman, is the source for this information I think it should be included. PonyEnglish ☎ 03:15, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

This information will not be added to the article unless it occurs in the narrative. Out of universe sources are not valid sources for in-universe articles. Shambala108 ☎ 03:21, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I would argue that since it is a "behind the scenes" bit that Gaiman warranted a blog post commenting on it that it should stay. It doesn't add to the character in-universe, true, but it adds a bit of creative, if not a bit of trivia, to the character. I don't see the harm.PonyEnglish ☎ 03:44, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

My IP has changed since I deleted the comment, but I have no problem with it being in Behind the Scenes, though there should be a direct link added to where Gaiman says this in the blog. It would be even better if we could find a second source. Has Davies mentioned this? Although it's all "non-narrative" right now there is always potential for Gaiman to write a future episode or novel - perhaps even bringing the Corsair back and making the Shopkeeper connection official. 68.146.70.124^{talk to me} 13:10, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Plagiarism

The behind the scenes section is almost completely copied from the source (see the first footnote). I changed it when I noticed, but it's still too similar. CloneMarshalCommanderCody ☎ 02:39, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Conjectural names for each incarnation

A few months back it was decided that we moved The Doctor (Fugitive of the Judoon) to Fugitive Doctor, a while ago, when splitting the Ollistra pages, I unconsciously created the page for the incarnation played by Jacqueline Pearce at War Ollistra instead of Ollistra (The Innocent) (with a {{conjecture}} tag). The reason I forwarded these two decisions was because calling an incarnation "something TimeLordName" is much more piratical when writing (and, specially, when reading) an article than the alternative "TimeLordName (story)". It makes each incarnation much more visually distinct. I mean, we have T:DOCTORS telling us to "avoid pipe switching to simply "the Doctor"".

Further, as I argued back on Talk: Fugitive Doctor, Tardis:Romana acknowledges and embraces the fact that her naming convention didn't originate from narrative sources, but rather an out-of-universe one.

And why am I saying all this? Well, like Romana, we have out-of-universe numbering for the Corsair incarnations. Gailman (the creator of the Corsair) and Houser (who wrote the stories in which she appeared) has told us that The Corsair (Old Friends) is indeed the Sixth Corsair; he's also told us that The Corsair (One Virtue, and a Thousand Crimes) is the Seventh Corsair (a story which he himself wrote). Finally, The Corsair (The Doctor's Wife), who was first mentioned in The Doctor's Wife and briefly appears in One Virtue, and a Thousand Crimes (both written by Gaiman), is affirmatively the Ninth Corsair, given he has the same exact same description (literally almost word-for-word) as the one in The Brilliant Book 2012 (in a piece also written by Gaiman).

All that said, I think the wiki would only benefit from moving these three pages for their respective new names, adding the "conjecture" tags on them. Thoughts? OncomingStorm12th ☎ 21:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Great plan! As long as the conjecture is clearly marked, it sounds good to me. Some page locks might also be necessary to keep well-intentioned editors from making [[First Corsair]] and so on. – n8 (☎) 19:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, actually, the piece about the Corsair in The Brilliant Book 2012 really ought to have an {{invalid}} page, to be placed in Category:Non-DWU features; and this would lead us to have [[First Doctor]] onwards as {{invalid}} pages sourced to that piece. Or am I missing something? Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:17, 28 September 2021 (UTC)