Howling:Song at the end of Night Terrors
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Did anyone catch the words of the child's song at the end of Night Terrors ? The only line I could make out was the last one "...even for the Doctor".
Here's the whole thing:
Tick, tock, goes the clock, and what things shall we see?
Tick, tock, until the day, that thou shall marry me.
Tick, tock, goes the clock, and all the years they fly.
Tick, tock, and all too soon, you and I must die.
Tick, tock, goes the clock, we laughed at fate and mourned her.
Tick, tock, goes the clock, even for the Doc…
Tick, tock, goes the clock, he cradled and he rocked her.
Tick, tock, goes the clock, even for the Doctor.
67.126.199.214 23:06, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Mark Gatiss said that Moffat asked him to write a "spooky nursery rhyme" that prefigures the Doctor's upcoming death, but didn't give him any details beyond that. So, there shouldn't be any clues hidden in the words.
Unless, of course, Gatiss and Moffat were both lying, which is always possible… --173.228.85.35 06:44, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
Actually it's all info we know Cory Jaynes 03:31, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
It does interestingly sum up River and the Doctor's relationship however.--82.11.57.232 18:40, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
- The full version of the rhyme, as Mark Gatiss was kind enough to share on his Twitter:
- Tick tock goes the clock
- And what then shall we see?
- Tick tock until the day
- That thou shalt marry me
- Tick tock goes the clock
- And what now shall we play?
- Tick tock goes the clock
- Now Summer's gone away?
- Tick tock goes the clock
- And all the years they fly
- Tick tock and all too soon
- You and I must die
- Tick tock goes the clock
- He cradled her and he rocked her
- Tick tock goes the clock
- Even for the Doctor...
- Properly creepy. Rob T Firefly 06:34, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
- this is probably completely wrong ,but whatever. someone mentioned above that this rhyme sums up the doctor's relationship with river. but many lines don't fit that like "he cradled and he wrocked her" and "now summer's gone away". also, it forshadows the doctor's death, but that also doesn't account for many lines like the one about marriage. so the song is probably about many things. i was thinking, could it also be about jenny? when she was shot, the doctor cradled her in his arms. the doctor thought she died, but she didn't ("we laughed at fate and mourned her") and that bit was also asked to be added by the moff, like this rhyme was. i'm probably streching it with the jenny thing, but can anyone else think of some alternative things the song could be forshadowing? Imamadmad 01:04, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
- It fits the Doctor and River's relationship: the first stanza refers to the Doctor marrying River, which has been heavily implied already, and the last stanza is a reference to the Doctor having met River as baby Melody. The song also refers to the Doctor's death, as in the third stanza and the last line. --Bold Clone 01:09, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Somehow I don't see the Doctor marrying Jenny. He may sometimes mistake Gallifrey for a town in southern Ireland, but not for a town in South Carolina.
- Anyway, I suspect in this case Gatiss and Moffatt are telling the truth, and the rhyme is supposed to fortell is the Doctor's upcoming death. Gatiss could have thrown in little bits about River without being given any extra information, just from knowing the preceding episodes—or they could have nothing to do with River, and just be meant to make it sound like an old-timey nursery rhyme.
- You could read all kinds of things into it if you wanted to. Why "Tick tock goes the clock" over and over? Maybe the clockwork robots from The Mind Robber, The Girl in the Fireplace, or The Clockwise Man are coming back (or the future Faction Paradox clock-faced people from Anachrophobia, or the Clockworks from the Observe coming to our universe to take over for the missing Time Lords). But I'd be quite surprised if any of those were true. And seeing Jenny just because "he cradled her" when she was dying is just as much of a stretch. --173.228.85.35 01:23, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
- hey, i did say it was far fetched, and i don't mean that the doctor would marry jenny, but different lines could refer to different things. the doctor never cradled river/melody (unless you count her ganger), and i can't see how the stanza about summer fits in either. that's why i thought it might not be just about 1 subject. also, the tick tock bit is obviously talking about their impending death, but is it the doctor's or river's they're talking about (as river is realising it is neaing the end of his time with her). there can be double meanings in lines, and multiple meaning in the whole rhyme.Imamadmad 01:44, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
- "the Doctor never cradled River/Melody": As usual with their relationship, that statement needs to be qualified with "yet, as far as we know." --89.240.248.153 06:23, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
- I'd love to see what Gatiss would come up with if Moffat said, "I want you to write a spooky nursery rhyme that prefigures the Doctor's death, and includes these additional plot points, and also includes the phrase 'yes, as far as we know'". Something, I think he could have pulled it off. :) --173.228.85.35 06:38, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
- He might not have "cradled her" (as in held her), but he did "cradle her (as in put her in a cradle) -- Future Companion
- that was a ganger of her, but i guess it could work. Imamadmad 21:55, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, but she'd have experienced it. (Whether she'd remember it, is another question.) --89.240.254.190 02:09, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
- The cradling thing is just him knowing her when she was born though it is weird that it changes from me to her. Also the summer thing could just be just how the show took a broke during the summer aka the three months the doctor spent looking for melody. Cory Jaynes 01:49, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
- I thik people are reading too much into it. The current claim -- suspect, of course, but still -- is that it was written as a creepy song and no more. Exegesis hardly seems necessary. Boblipton 02:01, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
This is MY thoughts on the poem. Do you agree?
Tick tock goes the clock - this, I think is the Doctor's life. The clock is ticking down to his death.
And what then shall we see? - We see his death.
Tick tock until the day - This line, and the one below, are about the finale "The Wedding of River Song."
That thou shalt marry me - This line, and the one above, are about the finale "The Wedding of River Song."
Tick tock goes the clock - This line, and the one below, are about River and the Doctor playing with each other, e.g. their relationship is a bit of a game to River with the flirting and the whole "Spoilers" thing.
And what now shall we play?- This line, and the one above, are about River and the Doctor playing with each other, e.g. their relationship is a bit of a game to River with the flirting and the whole "Spoilers" thing.
Tick tock goes the clock - This line, and the one below, are about the placement of the series. The finale is AFTER the summer, which HAS gone away, since we're in AUTUMN now.
Now Summer's gone away? - This line, and the one above, are about the placement of the series. The finale is AFTER the summer, which HAS gone away, since we're in AUTUMN now.
Tick tock goes the clock - This line, and the one below, are about the fact that River and the Doctor will meet, have met, will known, and known each other, over many years and they "fly" in the Tardis together from time to time, as in "The Time of Angels" and "Flesh and Stone."
And all the years they fly - This line, and the one above, are about the fact that River and the Doctor will meet, have met, will know, and have known each other, over many years and they "fly" in the Tardis together from time to time, as in "The Time of Angels" and "Flesh and Stone."
Tick tock and all too soon - This line, and the one below, refer to the deaths of River in the Library and the Doctor at Lake Silencio.
You and I must die - This line, and the one above, refer to the deaths of River in the Library and the Doctor at Lake Silencio.
Tick tock goes the clock - This line, and the one below, refer to River's birth. The Doctor rocked her in his arms briefly before putting her in the cradle. His arms didn't move, but she was, nonetheless, rocked in his arms. It could also refer to their relationship. A lover cradles their lover in their arms when they lay together and he rocked her when they had sex.
He cradled her and he rocked her - This line, and the one above, refer to River's birth. The Doctor rocked her in his arms briefly before putting her in the cradle. His arms didn't move, but she was, nonetheless, rocked in his arms. It could also refer to their relationship. A lover cradles their lover in their arms when they lay together and he rocked her when they had sex.
Tick tock goes the clock - This line, and the one below, refers to the Doctor's time running out and his approaching death.
Even for the Doctor... - This line, and the one above, refers to the Doctor's time running out and his approaching death.
Tick tock goes the clock - This line, and the one below, are about River and the Doctor playing with each other, e.g. their relationship is a bit of a game to River with the flirting and the whole "Spoilers" thing.
And now what shall we play?- This line, and the one above, are about River and the Doctor playing with each other, e.g. their relationship is a bit of a game to River with the flirting and the whole "Spoilers" thing.
Tick tock goes the clock - This line, and the one below, are about the placement of the series. The finale is AFTER the summer, which HAS gone away, since we're in AUTUMN now.
Now Summer's gone away? - This line, and the one above, are about the placement of the series. The finale is AFTER the summer, which HAS gone away, since we're in AUTUMN now.
Tick tock goes the clock - This line, and the one below, refers to River's birth. The Doctor rocked her in his arms briefly before putting her in the cradle. His arms didn't move, but she was, nonetheless, rocked in his arms. It could also refer to their relationship. A lover cradles their lover in their arms when they lay together and he rocked her when they had sex.
He cradled her and he rocked her - This line, and the one above, refers to River's birth. The Doctor rocked her in his arms briefly before putting her in the cradle. His arms didn't move, but she was, nonetheless, rocked in his arms. It could also refer to their relationship. A lover cradles their lover in their arms when they lay together and he rocked her when they had sex.
Tick tock goes the clock, - This line, and the one below, refers to the fact that, in the last episode, time is muddled and probably will be until River kills the Doctor at Lake Silencio. It also refers to the fact that the clock is ticking down until the Doctor's death.
‘Til River kills the Doctor - This line, and the one above, refers to the fact that, in the last episode, time is muddled and probably will be until River kills the Doctor at Lake Silencio. It also refers to the fact that the clock is ticking down until the Doctor's death.
Doctor, brave and good - This line, and the one below, refers to what the Doctor tries to be. A good man, and brave, while not using violence, which makes things worse, to solve the problems.
Turned away from violence - This line, and the one below, refers to what the Doctor tries to be. A good man, and brave, while not using violence, which makes things worse, to solve the problems.
When he understood - This line, and the one below, refers to the finale and the Doctor discovering, and understanding, the truth behind the line "Silence wil fall".
The falling of the Silence - This line, and the one above, refers to the finale and the Doctor discovering, and understanding, the truth behind the line "Silence wil fall".
Does that all make sense? It does to me. HarryPotterRules1 23:38, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure why, but I have the strangest feeling that the line "Tick tock goes the clock till River kills the Doctor," might mean something. I don't have any clue what it could mean though. Does anybody know the new verses to the song from Closing Time?Icecreamdif 02:48, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can make out, the verses from the end of Closing Time are as follows:
Kovarian
Tick tock goes the clock
And what now shall we play?
Tick tock goes the clock
No suns -- Gone away.
Tick tock goes the clock
And all the years they fly.
Tick tock and all too soon
Your love will surely die!
Children
Tick tock goes the clock
He cradled and he rocked her.
Tick tock goes the clock
Till River kills the Doctor!
The last line of Kovarian's first verse could be "No sons" -- it would sound the same. Either is plausible in the context. --89.242.69.48 10:02, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Comment: The last 2 lines (Tick tock goes the clock/ Till River kills the Doctor!) could mean that time will only continue until River kills the Doctor. If "suns" (rather than "sons") is correct, the two things taken together could be pointing to yet another attempt to bring the universe to an end. --89.242.69.48 10:13, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Kovarian is singing "now summer's gone away" but slurs her words slightly. I can see how it can be mistaken as "no suns" but there is definatly a second sylable in there.MasterIII 11:11, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction. --89.242.69.48 11:45, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
This is the full ending of the bit from Kovarian:
Tick tock goes the clock And what now shall we play? Tick tock goes the clock Now summer's gone away? By Silencio Lake on the Plain of Sighs An impossible astronaut will rise from the deep And strike the Time Lord dead Tick tock goes the clock And all the years they fly Tick tock and all too soon Your love will surely die
Hope I helped - HarryPotterRules1 23:38, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
There's also: Doctor, brave and good. He turned away from violence. When he understood The falling of the Silence. from the prequel to The Wedding of River Song.23:05, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
I saw a website which said that the ending was Tick tock goes the clock He gave her all he could give her Tick tock goes the clock Now prison waits for river
