Theory:Doctor Who audio discontinuity and plot holes/Relative Dimensions
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- The Doctor says that he took Leonardo to see the birth of Jesus "in the Year 0". However, there is no 'Year 0'. The Year 1 BC is followed by the Year 1 AD.
- Maybe he isn't being literal. He might simply be explaining it in the simplest possible terms.
- But 'the simplest possible terms' would be saying "the Year 1". And when we take into account that this is the Doctor, it just makes it all the more absurd.
- While it's certainly not the intended situation, "the Year 0" could be a location rather than a date, and Jesus' birth a holographic simulation rather than the genuine article. Alternatively, the Whoniverse dating is somewhat different from our own?
- The "Whoniverse dating"? The BC/AD calendar goes directly from 1 BC to 1 AD. Anyone who has ant udnerstanding of that should know. It's a major goof talking about "Year 0", as no such Year can exist.
- No such year can exist in the real-world calendar system, but there's no firm reason to assume the Doctor Who universe's calendar was established with the same ground rules. It's not like it's logically impossible to propose that whoever invented this method of dating in the Doctor Who universe decided that the year prior to Jesus's birth was Year 0.
- The reason there's no year 0 is that we didn't have a number 0 when creating the calendar. However, Jesus wasn't born in the year 1AD or 1BC either. He was born in somewhere around 4BC. So I think the idea that he's just saying "year 0" because it's more convenient is very likely. It might be a bit confusing to say "I saw Jesus born in 4BC" because it sounds like you're saying he was born 4 years before himself.
- No such year can exist in the real-world calendar system, but there's no firm reason to assume the Doctor Who universe's calendar was established with the same ground rules. It's not like it's logically impossible to propose that whoever invented this method of dating in the Doctor Who universe decided that the year prior to Jesus's birth was Year 0.
- The "Whoniverse dating"? The BC/AD calendar goes directly from 1 BC to 1 AD. Anyone who has ant udnerstanding of that should know. It's a major goof talking about "Year 0", as no such Year can exist.
- While it's certainly not the intended situation, "the Year 0" could be a location rather than a date, and Jesus' birth a holographic simulation rather than the genuine article. Alternatively, the Whoniverse dating is somewhat different from our own?
- But 'the simplest possible terms' would be saying "the Year 1". And when we take into account that this is the Doctor, it just makes it all the more absurd.
- Maybe he isn't being literal. He might simply be explaining it in the simplest possible terms.
- When Susan and the others look at the rooms, they are the rooms of Susan Foreman, Ian Chesterton, Barbara Wright, Vicki Pallister, Steven Taylor, Dodo Chaplet, Polly Wright, Ben Jackson, Jamie McCrimmon, Victoria Waterfield, and then they go to the end where Tamsin Drew's room is. This means that these Audios don't recognise John and Gillian. But it also means that they don't recognise Big Finish's own Companion Chronicle series, as there are no rooms for Sara Kingdom or Oliver Harper. And there should probably also be a room for Katarina.
- Leaving aside the relative brevity of Katarina's stay in the TARDIS, as well as the fact that certain materials can't even agree that John and Gillian existed, it is possible that some of the rooms were simply reused. Additionally, given that rooms have been jettisoned from the TARDIS before, perhaps Oliver and Sara Kingdom's were among the casualties.
- Yeah, I don't really see the problem. The TARDIS is of practically infinite, and ever-shifting, size. There's no reason to assume Susan could possibly have seen everything there is to see. (And is there any story to establish John and Gillian had rooms in the TARDIS? I mean, it would make sense, but I can't recall offhand. And after all, if they are Time Lords, they may not sleep very much at all, just like the Doctor.)
