Talk:Kiev

Dubious non-admin page move

A non-admin moved this page from "Keiv" to "Kyiv", to reflect the recent real world push to adopt that name. Whilst I understand how politically sensitive this is, it's still the case that no DW source has used this name, so it really should be moved back. The page itself compares it to deadnaming a trans person, but, even leaving aside how dubious that comparison is (and apples and oranges doesn't even begin to cover it), we don't actually have a policy in this area as the user has implied. Our deadnames policy applies to REAL WORLD PRODUCTION CREW. We don't actually have a policy for in-universe uses of former names for real world entities, as far as I know. In the absence of one, I believe we should continue to enforce the regular T:NO RW. Maybe we can discuss this when the forums are back, but for now I think policy would have this go back to "Kiev". Plus yeah as I said the "deadname" companion is VERY dubious to say the least. NightmareofEden ☎ 18:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't agree with the deadnaming comparison either. As far as I'm concerned, if there's a version of it ever pronounced as "Kyiv" as opposed to "Kiev", I'd support the change, even if technically there's no PROSE evidence for that. I'd suggest as precedent Taiwanese girl (Children of Earth: Day One). But that's 100% me and I fully admit it's likely controversial. Najawin ☎ 04:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)